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Where was the part that said the alternative will cost more?
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Originally Posted by DCforever
Older cars will be grandfathered. Very few vehicles were converted from R-12. Stop whining.
When you stop production of something, the item becomes scarce. The scarcer the item, the more it costs. Why is gas $3.00 a gallon? Because there's a limited supply. That should be a pretty basic concept there.
Whether a car is grandfathered doesn't matter if you can't get the refrigerant. Sure, you can keep your car running on R-134a.. You just can't get anymore R-134a.
R-134a right now, you can get a 30lb tank for.. $150 give or take. Some cheaper, some more expensive.
1234yf is right around $120 per pound.
Now.. Figure that your car has a pound of the refrigerant.. All things told, that's not a massive add-on, because you're probably going to get hit with $500 in repairs, so the added $120 for the refrigerant isn't a HUGE cost, but.. Remembering back when you could get a pound of R-12 for 75 cents..
Price will come down, but not a whole lot. The big deal is that the equipment that shops will have to purchase will be very expensive. 1234yf is considered flammable, so any recovery equipment has to have non-incendiary parts in it (Switches, solenoids, etc) which really drives the cost up.
like democrats give a crap about the poor either. the reality is that those in power want to hold onto that power, and those not in power want to gain that power.
Democrats support high min wage laws, healthcare for all, welfare, Sect 8 Housing, free cell phones for the poor, ex.ex. (and republicans oppose all those things.)
Democrats support high min wage laws, healthcare for all, welfare, Sect 8 Housing, free cell phones for the poor, ex.ex. (and republicans oppose all those things.)
that doesnt help the poor. all it does is keep democrats in power. as i said, politicians DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE POOR, OR ANYONE ELSE. they only care about their own power. how much can they grab and hold on to.
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For a home unit, those insignificant modifications are a new coil and compressor. Last spring I had coils replaces on two of my AC units that could use either coolant and it was $2,400. My other alternative was to live with the slow leak and charge it up every spring. In two years, the cost of the charging would be more than replacing the hardware so I went with a replacement.
Damn and I still have a huge stock pile of R-12, for my old cars.
I even have to add lead to the gas, to save the valves.
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I fail to see how curbing greenhouse gases is bad.
Heck, if they did this 30 years earlier I probably wouldn't have asthma right now (which I pay for through inhalers).
they said inhalers were greenhouse gas too.... the new formula costs more.. Gotta wonder if its all a ploy to make more dough as micro managiing and profit are the ultimate goal of every thing these days
Have you been sleeping for the last 20 plus years, the government have been trying to reduce these for many many years now. Sounds like the Post and some righties need to catch up with the rest of the population in the 21st Century. Jeeez
This is exactly what I was thinking. Excellent post and spot on.
The class of chemicals to which R-134a belongs — called hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs — became popular as a replacement for Freon, the refrigerant banned since the 1990s for damaging the Earth’s ozone layer. Most HFCs are harmless to ozone, but collectively they have become a significant driver of climate change — some are up to 10,000 times as potent per ounce as carbon dioxide, climate scientists say.
So more lies. Who made a deal with what lobbyist to get this b.s. front and center?
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Excellent post
