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Old 09-18-2014, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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On Sunday, thousands of Americans will use the power of mass protest in New York and cities around the nation, including Davis. The People's Climate March is a call for action as the UN Climate Summit meets to plan COP15, the global warming treaty conference to be held next year in Paris.

REMI finds that when a fee of $10 per ton of CO2 is placed on fossil fuel at the point of extraction, the fee increases $10 per ton annually, and all revenue is returned to households, these positive things happen.

As the tax is passed forward, everyone works to reduce their own energy costs, and the economy naturally shifts toward ever-cheaper clean alternatives, without either government regulations or subsidies. Revenue returned to households covers the carbon fee's less than 2 percent inflationary increase and protects low income Americans from rising electricity and gasoline costs.

And importantly, imports pay the fee. This encourages other countries like China to tax their own carbon emissions rather than pay the U.S. U.S. can take the lead in climate policy - Daily Democrat Online

This sounds exactly like BC's carbon tax plan. http://www.sustainableprosperity.ca/article3685


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Old 09-18-2014, 02:13 AM
 
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Oh I cant wait to go. Does it include free pizza?
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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On Sunday, thousands of Americans will use the power of mass protest in New York and cities around the nation, including Davis. The People's Climate March is a call for action as the UN Climate Summit meets to plan COP15, the global warming treaty conference to be held next year in Paris.

REMI finds that when a fee of $10 per ton of CO2 is placed on fossil fuel at the point of extraction, the fee increases $10 per ton annually, and all revenue is returned to households, these positive things happen.

As the tax is passed forward, everyone works to reduce their own energy costs, and the economy naturally shifts toward ever-cheaper clean alternatives, without either government regulations or subsidies. Revenue returned to households covers the carbon fee's less than 2 percent inflationary increase and protects low income Americans from rising electricity and gasoline costs.

And importantly, imports pay the fee. This encourages other countries like China to tax their own carbon emissions rather than pay the U.S. U.S. can take the lead in climate policy - Daily Democrat Online

This sounds exactly like BC's carbon tax plan. Sustainable Prosperity | BC

Scary stuff. I hope this fails. Another reason why the UN needs to go away. They do nothing good.
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:39 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh I cant wait to go. Does it include free pizza?
It's going to be interesting to see how many people actually show up!
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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liberals and another tax that will only kill the middleclass

climate change is a natural thing...only the fascist liberals are so egotistical to think man made climate change and we and change it more with a new tax
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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liberals and another tax that will only kill the middleclass

climate change is a natural thing...only the fascist liberals are so egotistical to think man made climate change and we and change it more with a new tax
I fail to see how this tax will kill the middle class....We have been living with a similar tax since 2008 and it is putting money in our pockets.

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Economists agree taxing carbon is the best way to end fossil fuel dependency.
The assumption has been that it would cost jobs. But, it turns out, the opposite is true.
Correctly structured, a carbon fee can add some 2.8 million jobs and increase GDP $80 billion in 10 years over continuation of current policy. It would put an extra $500 into consumers' pockets and save about 12,000 people from premature death each year.
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Oh I cant wait to go. Does it include free pizza?

If they want any one to show up, they'd better come up with some free beer.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"...end fossil fuel dependency."
With what do they plan to replace fossil fuels?
How will they power 80,000 lb. over-the-road trucks?
How will they power trains?
How will they power aircraft?
How will they make electricity?
I have to make a 1500 mile round trip in my Dodge 1500 pickup, towing a small trailer. How will they power vehicles that will do THAT in 15 hours driving time (less than two days total time) each way?
Before they start "ending fossil fuels", perhaps they best be finding viable alternatives. No, wind and solar power are NOT viable at this time. Close, but not yet. Shutting down the fossil fuel fired power plants would cause a disaster!
There presently is NO substitute for gasoline and diesel fuel. There isn't even a good substitute for home heating gas (natural or LP) and oil!

"...and save about 12,000 people from premature death each year."
If they keep saving people from dieing, the Earth will soon be even more over populated than it is now. How do they plan to take care of all those old people who just won't die?
Remember, the "Law Of Unintended Consequences " is an immutable law of nature. Sooner or later, it WILL rear its ugly head and bite you in the tender regions of your anatomy!
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"Economists agree taxing carbon is the best way to end fossil fuel dependency"...what economists? or better yet, whose economists? agree.

sounds like all the economists in the world are holding hands and not one Harvard economist disagrees with the economist from Princeton.

"Celebrated playwright George Bernard Shaw once famously quipped: "If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion."

"So, how is it that two experienced, knowledgeable economists study and analyze the same data and each comes up with a different forecast for the nation's economy? Why do these experts so often disagree with one another? As we will see, there's no simple answer; there are many reasons for economists' differing opinions."
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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Oh I cant wait to go. Does it include free pizza?
yes, but there's a sausage tax because it gives you GAS
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