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Uh; maybe 5 to 10 years ago you'd be right. Not in 2014. China's working age pop is DROPPING in numbers AND the wages there are going out of sight so it's becoming cheaper to start making stuff here in the US.
Don't worry. Billionaires will just enact new trade agreements somewhere else to keep production overseas.
It's the trade agreements that are hamstringing America. And they have bipartisan support in Congress, as both parties are owned by billionaires.
Which means absolutely nothing and which the right slams Obama for doing. It's still an unconstitutional law.
I'm not stupid. There is a difference in signing a law you believe to be flawed and one you believe to be unconstitutional. A president takes an oath to uphold the Constitution.
You make the claim that you are not stupid, yet also claim that Signing Statements mean absolutely nothing. Those claims are contradictory with each other. A Signing Statement has the same legal weight as an Executive Order within the Executive Branch.
Had Bush43 declared the entire law unconstitutional through a Signing Statement (and he could have), instead of parts of it, then you would be complaining that Bush43 was not the Supreme Court or some other such ridiculous nonsense. There is no satisfying some people.
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The Congress can't simply dispense of Constitutional Rights either.
Almost makes me want to cry when I see an attempt at justifying what the government is doing like this. With this justification anyone could be thrown in prison with the justification "war".
Congress did not dispense with any constitutional rights. All they did was declare a State of War. It is truly a shame that you have not been educated in basic civics. The overwhelming vast majority who complain about their government have absolutely no idea how their own government functions. Your post is a perfect example of this.
By such standards all "men" where just that; white of European decent and mostly Protestant or at least any of the various Anglo faiths. Women are chattel to have only rights as deemed necessary but mostly to live their lives as the exclusive property of their husbands, fathers, or some other male. Everyone else outside of that select group (Blacks, gays, the feeble minded, physically handicapped, etc.. have no or little rights, is that it eh?
The Founding Fathers wrote a document for their age and truth to tell many of them as did the "Old World" held huge doubts as to if the great experiment of the fledgling USA would last a generation much less one hundred or more years. Therefore one submits the USC was not designed to remain stagnant and obdurate in the face of obvious changes around the country.
Which is WHY in their genius, they created the Amendment process.
The problem many have is they don't like certain things AND WANT IT CHANGED. THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE IN A VERY SMALL MINORITY on those changes and they don't like it so they whine on and on.
You make the claim that you are not stupid, yet also claim that Signing Statements mean absolutely nothing. Those claims are are contradictory with each other. A Signing Statement has the same legal weight as an Executive Order within the Executive Branch.
Had Bush43 declared the entire law unconstitutional through a Signing Statement (and he could have), instead of parts of it, then you would be complaining that Bush43 was not the Supreme Court or some other such ridiculous nonsense. There is no satisfying some people.
Congress did not dispense with any constitutional rights. All they did was declare a State of War. It is truly a shame that you have not been educated in basic civics. The overwhelming vast majority who complain about their government have absolutely no idea how their own government functions. Your post is a perfect example of this.
"The overwhelming vast majority who complain about their government have absolutely no idea how their own government functions. Your post is a perfect example of this."
Bravo! You have hit the nail right smack on the head.
Don't worry. Billionaires will just enact new trade agreements somewhere else to keep production overseas.
It's the trade agreements that are hamstringing America. And they have bipartisan support in Congress, as both parties are owned by billionaires.
The US has trade agreements with almost 200 countries. The US restored trade with China in 1980 with an annual renewal. That status became permanent in 2000.
Don't worry. Billionaires will just enact new trade agreements somewhere else to keep production overseas.
It's the trade agreements that are hamstringing America. And they have bipartisan support in Congress, as both parties are owned by billionaires.
Trade agreements have been around all along.
In absence if trade agreements, who would buy anything from the US? Why would a country pay a substantial premium for Made in the US, when they could buy elsewhere for less?
You make the claim that you are not stupid, yet also claim that Signing Statements mean absolutely nothing. Those claims are contradictory with each other. A Signing Statement has the same legal weight as an Executive Order within the Executive Branch.
Had Bush43 declared the entire law unconstitutional through a Signing Statement (and he could have), instead of parts of it, then you would be complaining that Bush43 was not the Supreme Court or some other such ridiculous nonsense. There is no satisfying some people.
A presidents job is to veto legislation he believes is unconstitutional. His signing statement meant nothing. It was still him signing an unconstitutional law. One he acknowledged in the statement he knew was unconstitutional.
And me noting the "not stupid" part was simply a dismissal of your attempts to diminish what he did. He didn't just sign what he felt was a flawed law. He signed what he felt was an unconstitutional law.
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Congress did not dispense with any constitutional rights. All they did was declare a State of War. It is truly a shame that you have not been educated in basic civics. The overwhelming vast majority who complain about their government have absolutely no idea how their own government functions. Your post is a perfect example of this.
What is a shame is your inability to discuss this without trying to take personal shots at me so I'll dismiss this as you not having a valid rebuttal.
I agree with the OP. The current group of Republicans have nothing. Even their idea to privatize the Indiana Toll Roads is failing as the Corp. needs to file for Chap. 11
A presidents job is to veto legislation he believes is unconstitutional. His signing statement meant nothing. It was still him signing an unconstitutional law. One he acknowledged in the statement he knew was unconstitutional.
And me noting the "not stupid" part was simply a dismissal of your attempts to diminish what he did. He didn't just sign what he felt was a flawed law. He signed what he felt was an unconstitutional law.
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