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Old 09-17-2014, 12:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The wisdom and foresight of George W. Bush gets more prescient with every passing day.

We will fight the terrorists where they are, not where they seek to be.
First of all, the first sentence above makes no sense.

Second of all, the terrorists were not in Iraq when we invaded Iraq. It seems Bush DID INDEED start a war in a place terrorists were seeking to be. Or have you forgotten that little nugget of history?
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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"It was to point out that the world is in disarray, that evil seems to have the upper hand, that our efforts to stymie evil, to contain it, have failed in a world that is changing faster and faster and faster.

I think the author wanted his readers to think about the problems the world faces, and about how we respond to those problems."


Those sound reasonable - it's clear that Cohen was not just referring to Obama, but I got something a bit different. We live in a world of theater - an American Idol mentality. Law has become meaningless when it is 'cherry picked' according to the wishes of a Ruler. Life has become about "divide" and "war on somethingORtheOTHER. - it's now the "norm". The weakness refers to Obama of course, but isn't really the American people who have become "weak", "tired", "afraid of commitments" and apathetic to the loss of Rule of Law and common decency? "Hatred" is certainly the correct word - I've heard that word more in the last 6 years than I have in the last 60 years. The "fabric of society" is not just "frayed" - it's been ripped to shreds.

It was a time of beheadings. .... Terror is theater. Burning skyscrapers, severed heads

It was a time of aggression....He invoked the law the better to trample on it. He invoked history the better to turn it into farce.

It was a time of breakup....The northernmost citizens were bored. They were disgruntled. They were irked, in some insidious way

It was a time of weakness....The most powerful nation on earth was tired --He set objectives for which he had no plan. He made commitments he did not keep.

It was a time of hatred....The fabric of society frayed. Politicians, haunted by their incapacity, played on the fears of their populations The great rising nations of vast populations held the fate of the world in their hands but hardly seemed to care.

It was a time of disorientation ... Until it was too late and people could see the Great Unraveling for what it was and what it had wrought.


When do we suppose that people might begin to "see" and understand the "Great Unraveling"? I don't think it will be anytime soon.
Ideology is trumping common sense all over the world. People are too self centered, too selfish.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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"It was to point out that the world is in disarray, that evil seems to have the upper hand, that our efforts to stymie evil, to contain it, have failed in a world that is changing faster and faster and faster.

I think the author wanted his readers to think about the problems the world faces, and about how we respond to those problems."


Those sound reasonable - it's clear that Cohen was not just referring to Obama, but I got something a bit different. We live in a world of theater - an American Idol mentality. Law has become meaningless when it is 'cherry picked' according to the wishes of a Ruler. Life has become about "divide" and "war on somethingORtheOTHER. - it's now the "norm". The weakness refers to Obama of course, but isn't really the American people who have become "weak", "tired", "afraid of commitments" and apathetic to the loss of Rule of Law and common decency? "Hatred" is certainly the correct word - I've heard that word more in the last 6 years than I have in the last 60 years. The "fabric of society" is not just "frayed" - it's been ripped to shreds.

It was a time of beheadings. .... Terror is theater. Burning skyscrapers, severed heads

It was a time of aggression....He invoked the law the better to trample on it. He invoked history the better to turn it into farce.

It was a time of breakup....The northernmost citizens were bored. They were disgruntled. They were irked, in some insidious way

It was a time of weakness....The most powerful nation on earth was tired --He set objectives for which he had no plan. He made commitments he did not keep.

It was a time of hatred....The fabric of society frayed. Politicians, haunted by their incapacity, played on the fears of their populations The great rising nations of vast populations held the fate of the world in their hands but hardly seemed to care.

It was a time of disorientation ... Until it was too late and people could see the Great Unraveling for what it was and what it had wrought.


When do we suppose that people might begin to "see" and understand the "Great Unraveling"? I don't think it will be anytime soon.
Ideology is trumping common sense all over the world. People are too self centered, too selfish.
I think this is EXACTLY the kind of thoughtful evaluation of his article the author wanted to provoke.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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First of all, the first sentence above makes no sense.

Second of all, the terrorists were not in Iraq when we invaded Iraq. It seems Bush DID INDEED start a war in a place terrorists were seeking to be. Or have you forgotten that little nugget of history?
It makes total sense. He was the first President to sufficiently take the fight to the terrorists instead of playing footsies with them like his predecessors.

He did not start a war in a place where terrorists were seeking to be. In fact, quite the opposite. He started a war in a country where the existing President was a terrorist himself, and where our empty suit "President" decided to cut and run and thus created a vacuum for the terrorists to operate and take over.

No one said taking on Middle East terrorist would be brief or easy. But, of course, Barack Obama exercised ZERO foresight and decided to inject the "brief" into his foreign policy. Now we are stuck with fighting an unprecedented terrorist organization that is well-funded and well-equipped.

Had we stayed in Iraq, these terrorist would be confined to Syria and it's civil war.

Bush had it mostly right. Obama has it mostly wrong by trying to be the Anti-Bush.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It makes total sense. He was the first President to sufficiently take the fight to the terrorists instead of playing footsies with them like his predecessors.

He did not start a war in a place where terrorists were seeking to be. In fact, quite the opposite. He started a war in a country where the existing President was a terrorist himself, and where our empty suit "President" decided to cut and run and thus created a vacuum for the terrorists to operate and take over.

No one said taking on Middle East terrorist would be brief or easy. But, of course, Barack Obama exercised ZERO foresight and decided to inject the "brief" into his foreign policy. Now we are stuck with fighting an unprecedented terrorist organization that is well-funded and well-equipped.

Had we stayed in Iraq, these terrorist would be confined to Syria and it's civil war.

Bush had it mostly right. Obama has it mostly wrong by trying to be the Anti-Bush.
Sadaam Hussein was a dictator, a brutal leader of a sovreign nation. He was not a terrorist.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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I think this is EXACTLY the kind of thoughtful evaluation of his article the author wanted to provoke.
And, who on this planet, can actually effect geopolitical change?

None other than the United States of America, as always, who is now dithering on the sidelines thanks to the empty suit in the White House.

We fully understand that you believe that Barack Obama is right and just in everything he does, but for the love of all things holy, can we get at least an ounce of objectivity from you without trying to twist and contort everything into some sort of Ph.D dissertation on why nothing is Obama's fault?
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sigh, the article brings out an all too important point, that the world does seem to be moving towards disaster. Quite frankly, with the reduction of resources worldwide, the climate changing, and all the damage we have done to our planet, it may be that we are in the middle of our final act. Sadly, it would still take the planet millions of years to fix the damage we have done in just a few hundred.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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And, who on this planet, can actually effect geopolitical change?

None other than the United States of America, as always, who is now dithering on the sidelines thanks to the empty suit in the White House.

We fully understand that you believe that Barack Obama is right and just in everything he does, but for the love of all things holy, can we get at least an ounce of objectivity from you without trying to twist and contort everything into some sort of Ph.D dissertation on why nothing is Obama's fault?
Anybody.

A little girl can defy the Taliban, and effect change.

A nun in India can reach out to the world and effect change.

A man armed only with civil disobedience can inspire the world.

And your last paragraph is laughable. It has no foundation, except in your fevered imagination, and your inability to actually put up a coherent argument. You are blinded by your hatred for Obama. I feel sorry for you.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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It makes total sense. He was the first President to sufficiently take the fight to the terrorists instead of playing footsies with them like his predecessors.

He did not start a war in a place where terrorists were seeking to be. In fact, quite the opposite. He started a war in a country where the existing President was a terrorist himself, and where our empty suit "President" decided to cut and run and thus created a vacuum for the terrorists to operate and take over.

No one said taking on Middle East terrorist would be brief or easy. But, of course, Barack Obama exercised ZERO foresight and decided to inject the "brief" into his foreign policy. Now we are stuck with fighting an unprecedented terrorist organization that is well-funded and well-equipped.

Had we stayed in Iraq, these terrorist would be confined to Syria and it's civil war.

Bush had it mostly right. Obama has it mostly wrong by trying to be the Anti-Bush.
Revisionist history.

Saddam Hussein wasn't just a terrible dictator who attacked his neighbors and his own people, he was a terrible dictator that the United States helped raise to power. President Bush, and the United States, was wrong to go to war with Iraq. We had quite enough on our plate in Afghanistan. And the pull-out from Iraq was planned and committed to while President Bush was still in office. You criticized President Obama for not pulling out fast enough, you criticized President Obama for following the timetable that had already been established, now you criticize him for pulling out at all. There's just no pleasing you. And why ain't that a surprise?
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Gone
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It makes total sense. He was the first President to sufficiently take the fight to the terrorists instead of playing footsies with them like his predecessors.

He did not start a war in a place where terrorists were seeking to be. In fact, quite the opposite. He started a war in a country where the existing President was a terrorist himself, and where our empty suit "President" decided to cut and run and thus created a vacuum for the terrorists to operate and take over.

No one said taking on Middle East terrorist would be brief or easy. But, of course, Barack Obama exercised ZERO foresight and decided to inject the "brief" into his foreign policy. Now we are stuck with fighting an unprecedented terrorist organization that is well-funded and well-equipped.

Had we stayed in Iraq, these terrorist would be confined to Syria and it's civil war.

Bush had it mostly right. Obama has it mostly wrong by trying to be the Anti-Bush.
The Nonsense some people post here is astounding, and if you are going to attempt to rewrite history make sure you are not talking to people that lived through the history your are attempting to rewrite, jeeez
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