Republicans are Bigger Government Proponents than Liberals

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

There is no conspiracy unless this site is a conspiracy

Bilderberg Meetings | The official website



An unelected bunch of people with the public not allowed to have a representative in it even to relay what they are talking about. When it involves politics and economics among political leaders, the public has every right to know what they are doing.

There is no conspiracy.

List of Bilderberg participants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


United States

Thomas E. Donilon (2012),[3] Executive Vice President for Law and Policy at Fannie Mae (1999–2005), current National Security Advisor.
Roger Altman (2008, 2009, 2013),[2][12][98] Deputy Treasury Secretary from 1993–1994, Founder and Chairman of Evercore Partners
George W. Ball (1954, 1993),[99] Under Secretary of State 1961–1968, Ambassador to U.N. 1968 (deceased)
Sandy Berger (1999),[100] National Security Advisor, 1997–2001
Timothy Geithner (2008, 2009),[2][98] Treasury Secretary
Dick Gephardt (2012),[3] former Congressman and House Majority Leader
Lee H. Hamilton (1997),[8][better source needed] former Congressman
Christian Herter,[101] (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966), 53rd United States Secretary of State (deceased)
Charles Douglas Jackson (1957, 1958, 1960),[102] Special Assistant to the President (deceased)
Joseph E. Johnson[103] (1954), President Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (deceased)
Henry Kissinger (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977, 2008, 2009, 2010,[21] 2011, 2012,[3] 2013[12]),[69][104] 56th United States Secretary of State
Mark G. Mazzie (1986, 1987),[3] Chief of Staff, The Honorable George C. Wortley, U.S. House of Representatives.
Richard Perle (2011), Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee 2001–2003, United States Assistant Secretary of Defense 1981–1987[70]
Colin Powell (1997),[8][better source needed] 65th United States Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice (2008),[2] 66th United States Secretary of State
George P. Shultz (2008),[2] 60th United States Secretary of State
Lawrence Summers,[98] Director of the National Economic Council
Paul Volcker[when?],[98] Chair of the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board and Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979–1987
Bing West (2010),[21] author and former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Robert Zoellick (2008–2013),[2][3][11][12][20][21] former Trade Representative, former Deputy Secretary of State and former President of the World Bank Group

Presidents (The days of the meeting coincidentally had other presidents as well listed at unknown locations)

Bill Clinton (1991),[94][95] President 1993–2001
Gerald Ford (1964, 1966),[13][105] President 1974–1977 (deceased)\


Senators
Tom Daschle (2008),[2] Senator from South Dakota 1987-2005
John Edwards (2004),[106][107] Senator from North Carolina 1999–2005
Chuck Hagel (1999, 2000),[108] Senator from Nebraska 1997–2009, Secretary of Defense 2013–present
John Kerry (2012),[3] 68th United States Secretary of State and Senator from Massachusetts (1985–2013)
Sam Nunn (1996, 1997),[8][better source needed] Senator from Georgia 1972–1997
Governors
Mitchell Daniels (2012)[109] Governor of Indiana 2004–2013
Jon Huntsman, Jr. (2012),[3] Governor of Utah 2005–2009
Rick Perry (2007),[110] Governor of Texas 2000–present
Mark Sanford (2008),[111] Governor of South Carolina 2003–2011
Kathleen Sebelius (2008),[2] Governor of Kansas 2003-2009

And?

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

But the fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates "the illusion of choice," Frugal Dad says. While some big sites, like Digg and Reddit aren't owned by any of the corporations, Time Warner owns news sites read by millions of Americans every year.

Here's the graphic:

I don't consider cartoons to be "enlightenment".

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

You are all for the consolidation of power. I am not.

Explain your argument... FROM MY WORDS.

You just want to play games as if the power running this country are all people from the working class.
Most politicians and their cronies are all high level corporate and banking cockroaches giving each other the reach around.

We're done. Enjoy your conspiracy nonsense.

As long as you get distracted into focusing on imaginary demons, you'll do nothing to deal with the real problems.

[wutitiz]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

Do you mean American Republicans or Politician Republicans in DC?

You see, I have this problem with believing anything they do in DC represents the average Republican or Democrat Citizen when the majority of people say otherwise in polls, friends acquaintances etc.

The majority of citizens were against the bailouts - The political establishment said FU
The majority of citizens are against illegal immigration - The political establishment said FU
The majority of citizens were against Free Trade Agreements - The political establishment said FU
The majority of citizens were against Obamacare - The political establishment said FU
The majority of citizens are against money backed lobbying - The political establishment said FU

I can show you poll after poll from a variety of sites that show this.
Go to debate.org as one example where many share their views.

I am not for a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic, and it seems some believe corporate and banking citizens are exempt from that rule.

If we were a full fledged Democracy with every citizen having a say in political policies, based on the polls above we would be doing much better in this country. Unless someone can tell me what they were for in the list above that would benefit all citizens.

The only people who got a vote on Obamacare were members of Congress, so that was whom I meant. Not one Republican in the US House or US Senate voted for Obamacare. It was not the 'political establishment' that said '**' on that one. it was the Democratic party.
House passes health-care reform bill without Republican votes

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the real problem that no one wants to address is the damn lobbyists, and special interest groups. until we get rid of those problems, we will never be able to shrink government. after that we need to find politicians that understand that they are supposed to SERVE the people, not rule them. so again, until we find politicians that understand that, we wont be shrinking government anytime soon.

and it doesnt matter the party affiliation either, they all suck wind.

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But conservatives aren't.