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Almost all LGBT-organizations in United States and elsewhere are liberal organizations, which supports big government. The only LGBT-organization I have some respect for is Outright Libertarians. Because almost all LGBT-organizations support liberalism or socialism I will not support the movement. When I see an honest change and all organizations - at least joins the Libertarian Party I will think of giving my vocal support to them but not until then.
What an incredibly petty and childish reason to support the institutional mistreatment of an entire group of people.
Were you likewise against civil rights for black people in the 1960s because black-rights groups were liberal?
It has everything to do with her being gay. She has the required documentation showing she changed her name. Texas won't accept it BECAUSE SHE'S GAY. Were she straight, Texas would have taken it an issued her a DL in her actual, legal name on the spot.
And around and around and around we go.
This has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay and everything to do with her not having documentation that Texas recognizes.
I have a license to carry in Indiana. Illinois doesn't recognize it. It doesn't mean I get to sue Illinois for discrimination.
For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard to follow. It has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay. It has to do with Texas acknowledging a same sex marriage license.
If she were gay and married to a man she'd have no problem getting her driver's license in TX in her married name. She'd still be gay. Can you now understand that when you say this:
This has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay and everything to do with her not having documentation that Texas recognizes.
I have a license to carry in Indiana. Illinois doesn't recognize it. It doesn't mean I get to sue Illinois for discrimination.
For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard to follow. It has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay. It has to do with Texas acknowledging a same sex marriage license.
If she were gay and married to a man she'd have no problem getting her driver's license in TX in her married name. She'd still be gay. Can you now understand that when you say this:
it's completely not true?
Yes, it goes around and around.
She got married in California and legally changed her name. She has a California driver's license and a social security card that show her new legal name.
Her name's been changed.
On what basis does Texas refuse to recognize that name-change?
This has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay and everything to do with her not having documentation that Texas recognizes.
She did have the proper documentation. The problem wasn't her documentation - the problem was she's gay (In mean, in order to determine if the Texas DMV would take her documentation, the Texas DMV worker had to ask her if she was straight or gay).
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I have a license to carry in Indiana. Illinois doesn't recognize it. It doesn't mean I get to sue Illinois for discrimination.
You're comparing apples to Cadillacs, but sure, go ahead and sue. You'd have no case whatsoever, but feel free to try.
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For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard to follow. It has absolutely nothing to do with her being gay. It has to do with Texas acknowledging a same sex marriage license.
She wasn't asking Texas to acknowledge or recognize a gay marriage - she wasn't seeking a Texas marriage license, nor was she seeking to exercise any legal right of marriage. She was providing proof of her legal name change. Proof that Texas would take from a straight person, but not from a gay person.
For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard to follow
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If she were gay and married to a man she'd have no problem getting her driver's license in TX in her married name. She'd still be gay.
Just like banning gay marriage doesn't discriminate against gay people because both gay people and straight people are banned from getting gay married. Or just like banning interracial marriage didn't discriminate on the basis of race because blacks and whites both couldn't marry each other in an equal fashion.
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And if the Birth Certificate has a different last name than your supporting documents (like it would be for many married women), you have to support the Birth Certificate with a supporting document showing that you legally changed your last name (this is a DIFFERENT requirement than the 2 required supporting documents you're talking about). To support the name change, you must use a marriage certificate, divorce decree, spouse's death certificate, or certified court order. Texas doesn't let you use an out of state ID or a SS card as supporting evidence for your name change.
This woman gave the proper supporting documentation - her marriage certificate showing that the State of California issued her a legal name change. Texas refused to take that document because she's gay. As such, she was not allowed to use her Birth Certificate as a secondary document at all.
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Absolutely they did. Had a straight woman walked in the DMV with the exact same documents, she would have been issued a Texas driver's license under her legal name on the spot. But this woman was gay, so she wasn't.
California passed a "Name Equality Act" in 2007 - to take effect in 2009. It was intended to allow newly married people to choose their married name without going through expensive Court Orders for name change. James Smith & Mary Brown wish to marry and be known as James & Mary Brown, OR James & Mary Smith, OR as James & Mary Smith-Brown, OR as James & Mary Brown-Smith, OR as James and Mary Broith (using parts of each last name). The State of California says whatever they put on the Marriage License will be the Legal Name in the State of California. Other entities (like Social Security) accept the Marriage License for name change ...... BUT the State of Texas is not just interested in your Married Name, they are checking also for US Citizenship and you have to have documentation with matching names. James and Mary would have exactly the same problems as these two women when trying to get a Texas Drivers License. There are legal services in California that will provide (for $29) the documentation that other States will accept - the "Name Equality Act" clearly states that there can be legal problems outside of the State of California.
I would think that there would be questions about John & Mary with the name choices - Texas Law doesn't care if you are Gay or not, BUT Texas Law (at this time) doesn't not allow Same Sex Marriage and does not recognize Same Sex Marriage .... this will all have to work it's way through the Courts until it is settled. The same thing happened with Inter-racial Marriage. It took the US Supreme Court decision in Loving vs Virginia in 1967 to settle the matter.
I never thought that rash of State Amendments about Same Sex Marriage was legal, I've always thought the Supreme Court would knock it down and I still think so. At the same time - I recognize (which most people ignore) that ALL States have Civil Laws for any Marriage to be "Legal". Every single Marriage in the USA is a "Civil Union". People are fighting over a word.
Attitudes about Gays and about their Equality Rights have changed in the last 10 years, and they will continue to change for the better. At the same time - these activists that go out of their way to hunt down Florists, Bakers, Caterers, Dress Makers, Wedding Planners who (for whatever reason) don't agree with the "Same Sex Marriage" (which IS a Civil Union) ..... just to destroy their business and their livelihood, is counter-productive and will turn people against them.
What an incredibly petty and childish reason to support the institutional mistreatment of an entire group of people.
Were you likewise against civil rights for black people in the 1960s because black-rights groups were liberal?
Most of the LGBT-movement supports the mistreatment of 300 million Americans – which I find much worse than a few thousand homosexuals cannot get a piece of paper saying that they are married. Personally, I don’t think government should have anything to with marriage or the regulation of it. The civil right movements had nothing to do with supporting the empowerment of black people (which I support) but to stick their filthy hands in the pockets of others and steal their money to buy African-American votes with. Look what the civil-rights movement – it told black people that they ought act immoral and celebrate hedonism, government-dependency and bad morals instead of individual responsibility. Once upon a time – African-Americans kept families together, worked and lived moral and lived meaningful lives. Look at the black community today – look what the civil-rights movement has done to them. More and more black people realize that they are being lured into supporting the fascist liberal regime.
So either they scratch your back in return for your support or you will not support something you already said you support? I doubt they care if you support them or not, they are simply looking for equal rights under the law, and I doubt your support is required for that.
Of course they don’t need my support as an individual but I will not cast my vote on any politician who support gay-marriage until they start supporting libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism.
California passed a "Name Equality Act" in 2007 - to take effect in 2009. It was intended to allow newly married people to choose their married name without going through expensive Court Orders for name change. James Smith & Mary Brown wish to marry and be known as James & Mary Brown, OR James & Mary Smith, OR as James & Mary Smith-Brown, OR as James & Mary Brown-Smith, OR as James and Mary Broith (using parts of each last name). The State of California says whatever they put on the Marriage License will be the Legal Name in the State of California. Other entities (like Social Security) accept the Marriage License for name change ...... BUT the State of Texas is not just interested in your Married Name, they are checking also for US Citizenship and you have to have documentation with matching names. James and Mary would have exactly the same problems as these two women when trying to get a Texas Drivers License. There are legal services in California that will provide (for $29) the documentation that other States will accept - the "Name Equality Act" clearly states that there can be legal problems outside of the State of California.
I would think that there would be questions about John & Mary with the name choices - Texas Law doesn't care if you are Gay or not, BUT Texas Law (at this time) doesn't not allow Same Sex Marriage and does not recognize Same Sex Marriage .... this will all have to work it's way through the Courts until it is settled. The same thing happened with Inter-racial Marriage. It took the US Supreme Court decision in Loving vs Virginia in 1967 to settle the matter.
I never thought that rash of State Amendments about Same Sex Marriage was legal, I've always thought the Supreme Court would knock it down and I still think so. At the same time - I recognize (which most people ignore) that ALL States have Civil Laws for any Marriage to be "Legal". Every single Marriage in the USA is a "Civil Union". People are fighting over a word.
Attitudes about Gays and about their Equality Rights have changed in the last 10 years, and they will continue to change for the better. At the same time - these activists that go out of their way to hunt down Florists, Bakers, Caterers, Dress Makers, Wedding Planners who (for whatever reason) don't agree with the "Same Sex Marriage" (which IS a Civil Union) ..... just to destroy their business and their livelihood, is counter-productive and will turn people against them.
Except that this person does have documentation with matching names. Texas doesn't have to accept the validity of the marriage in order to accept that the marriage certificate is a legal document. They don't check other marriage certificates to ascertain if the marriage would be legal in Texas. For instance, if someone were cousins in Vermont and got married, but in another state that marriage wouldn't be allowed, doesn't mean that the other state wouldn't accept the marriage certificate for identification purposes.
Note, in Texas marriage between first cousins is illegal. But in Massachusetts it is legal. If someone moves to Texas from Massachusetts, and wants to get a driver's license, does the state of Texas DMV investigate to determine the legality of the marriage before issuing driver's licenses? Or do they accept the documentation as documentation, and allow other legal authorities to handle the legality of the marriage?
My partner and I got married in California last year and I changed my last name to his because I wanted the same last name as our children. All I had to do was write my new last name on the marriage license application.
When we returned to Colorado, I took the marriage license first to the Social Security office and they accepted the CA marriage license as documentation to legally change my last name. Then I went to the CO driver's license office and they accepted the marriage certificate as well and issued me a new DL with my new last name. Simple as that, no issues and no problems.
Seems like Texas is just going out of its way to make life difficult on gay Texans until the SCOTUS forces it into the 21st century.
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