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Old 09-23-2014, 05:42 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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No, I would end the wars and use that money to cover health care here.
There is only one problem with that thinking; the so-called "peace dividend" doesn't exist, as you cannot guarantee 'peace' indefinitely; because when you think you have 'peace' you probably still have people plotting against you or others. This is because you cannot change human nature, and there is evil in the world.

Bill Clinton always spoke of the 'peace dividend.' But we had bombings (the first twin towers attack, and the USS Cole attack) under his watch, which he did nothing about. I mention this only as an illustration that 'peace' is never guaranteed.

Then, of course, only months after Bill Clinton left office, we had the 9/11/2001 attack on the WTC towers, the Pentagon, and an attempted attack on Washington D.C.)

Peace is achieved through strength. That's why we continue to build ships, planes, and other weapons of war.

There is no such thing as a 'peace dividend'.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Bet you never been in a car wreck and been airlifted a hundred miles away and then woke up three days later and then a month later looked at the bill. By the way if the wreck is your fault which it will be 50% of the time you pay...not the other guy. There isnt any bidding while you are unconscious...you have your insurance company to look after you. The conservative position of Free Market Health Care doesnt exactly work if you in a major accident.
So many assume that their auto insurance will pay for medical treatment in the event of an accident. That's only true in the few states with no fault auto insurance.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Medicaid patients pay nothing at all. This doctor would simply bill the government for the leeches.
The federal government gives states a relatively wide berth of auto tiny as to how to operate Medicaid.
No two states do it the same. Co- pays may be imposed.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obama and Obamacare caused this. Everyone was happy and the system worked perfectly before Obama came along.
Really?
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:59 AM
 
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Actually its Medicare which most recipients have only paid in 13% to 40% what they take out...in other words its a wealth transfer from the young to the old.

The bill wouldn't have happened under Medicare.
I would bet a large sum that your figures are neglecting key aspects of a proper analysis like counting $100 paid in from 1955 as $100....and $100 claim from 2010 as $100.

Your figures probably also include a number of young people and others that qualify in other ways that have never paid a cent in.

Now that doesn't mean medicare hasn't got cost issues but even those are at least partially driven by people living longer. Want to put in an age cut-off for benefits?

In short, I think you are using some *tilted* stats and of course....they are undocumented.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The federal government gives states a relatively wide berth of auto tiny as to how to operate Medicaid.
No two states do it the same. Co- pays may be imposed.
"Auto tiny?" What is that?
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:50 AM
 
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There is only one problem with that thinking; the so-called "peace dividend" doesn't exist, as you cannot guarantee 'peace' indefinitely; because when you think you have 'peace' you probably still have people plotting against you or others. This is because you cannot change human nature, and there is evil in the world.
You most certainly can control the wars you start. All of our current wars including the new one are wars of choice. To say we can't do anything because one day we might be attacked is saying we can't do anything.

These wars are wars of choice to keep economies chugging along, nothing more. A national health care plan will be full of waste and corruption but I would rather see the waste used on health care than killing brown people.
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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These wars are wars of choice to keep economies chugging along, nothing more. A national health care plan will be full of waste and corruption but I would rather see the waste used on health care than killing brown people.
Even the ones hell-bent on killing white/black/brown/red/yellow people here?
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You most certainly can control the wars you start. All of our current wars including the new one are wars of choice. To say we can't do anything because one day we might be attacked is saying we can't do anything.

These wars are wars of choice to keep economies chugging along, nothing more. A national health care plan will be full of waste and corruption but I would rather see the waste used on health care than killing brown people.

What America’s needs is to steady down, to get squarely on our feet, to make sure of the right path. Let’s get out of the fevered delirium of war, with the hallucination that all the money in the world is to be made in the madness of war and the wildness of its aftermath. Let us stop to consider that tranquility at home is more precious than peace abroad, and that both our good fortune and our eminence are dependent on the normal forward stride of all the American people. …



WW-1 and WW-2 showed America and the US economy, that there is money to be made.
It has been perpetual ever since.
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:17 AM
 
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We have hear a lot from the conservative base of the Republican Party aka Tea Partiers how Free Market Health Care will save everyone money. Whats to stop a doctor from charging whatever the market bears and then forcing people into bankruptcy. Heres a case where a guy went in for a simple surgery and because he didnt look closely at all the forms he signed he was hit with a $117,000 bill and no one is looking out for his best interests. If he had been on Medicare the bill would have been a fraction of what it was...So Tea Party-Conservatives how do you convince Americans that a $117,000 bill is a small price to pay for freedom.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/us...cal-bills.html
Those types of things are covered under state laws and regulations.

The free market does not mean anarchy, it's not a free for all with predator and prey. The free market only works if we have laws and regulations to keep things fair and above board for all interested parties, so everyone is aware of the services to be performed and the associated fees and costs.
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