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Where are you getting this info from? Or are you just making it up in an effort to sound clever?
Most conservatives I know, support ending the welfare state, and conservatives are the ones most likely to preach abstinence and waiting, etc. It's the libs and progs who support things like welfare entitlements, food stamps etc. and it's the libs that are encouraging this "liberated" attitude towards sex.
Seems to me you've got it backwards.
conservatives are the ones that have it backwards. pro life until the baby comes then the mom and baby are on their own. no sex ed, no birth control, no help. they made their bed now let them lay in it. serves em' right for having sex before marriage.
No, I'm not saying that, because that isn't the statement you made.
You said that it's funny those of us who don't want the school interfering and giving our kids condoms { conservatives } don't seem to mind when those same kids get welfare after they get pregnant. Well, they do mind, because conservatives are the most likely ones to support cutting welfare funding, in general.
No one is stopping conservatives from taking financial responsibility for their wayward teens and their offspring instead of dumping their care on the taxpayer.
"Yea, I told my kid to just say no to sex, they didn't listen, now they are the taxpayer's problem."
Conservatives have no problem with the government getting involved after the fact, do they?
you are assume I think it is ok for kids to have sex
if their bodies have matured enough to make the act possible and that is not the
truth. I do not think 10 to 12 years old should be having sex.
Ok, so why is 12 too young in your opinion, if they've went through puberty?? At what age is it appropriate to start being sexually active in your opinion, and how do you arrive at that number?
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as I said before if they are having it at that age it is probably because they
were sexually abused and are acting out. something I mentioned before yet you
chose to ignore
No, I didn't ignore it. I presented a hypothetical scenario, and in that scenario, the two youths were not sexually abused. There is no hard and fast rule that says the only twelve year olds who'd experiment are those being sexually abused is there? Theoretically, two 12 year olds could be biologically mature enough for sexual activity, couldn't they?
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just what are the stats of 10 to 12 year olds having sex?
I don't know, and it's irrelevant to the question I am posing to you. Why is 12 too young, at what age is it appropriate, and what factors have lead you to this conclusion?
you are assume I think it is ok for kids to have sex if their bodies have matured enough to make the act possible and that is not the truth. I do not think 10 to 12 years old should be having sex. as I said before if they are having it at that age it is probably because they were sexually abused and are acting out. something I mentioned before yet you chose to ignore. just what are the stats of 10 to 12 year olds having sex?
Here's one study that was done. Average age was 12 among children in poverty.
Ok, so why is 12 too young in your opinion, if they've went through puberty?? At what age is it appropriate to start being sexually active in your opinion, and how do you arrive at that number?
No, I didn't ignore it. I presented a hypothetical scenario, and in that scenario, the two youths were not sexually abused. There is no hard and fast rule that says the only twelve year olds who'd experiment are those being sexually abused is there? Theoretically, two 12 year olds could be biologically mature enough for sexual activity, couldn't they?
I don't know, and it's irrelevant to the question I am posing to you. Why is 12 too young, at what age is it appropriate, and what factors have lead you to this conclusion?
It's a fair question.
you didn't really present your argument as hypothetical in your posts, now you side step it. your theory because a body "can" doesn't mean it should. if you want to use that as a landmark to begin sexual maturity then really the only sex that needs to be "mature" is the male.
at 10 to 12 the children are way too young emotionally and physically. even if they have "matured" is 16 too young, yes. would I like to see kids wait until they are 18 or more, yes. however that isn't the case. most kids start getting active around 15 and 17 is probably more the norm. I do not want any sexually active young person no matter how young to get sexually transmitted disease, nor do I want to see more teen pregnancies. so for the sexually active we need wide spread availability to BC and education for all.
you didn't really present your argument as hypothetical in your posts, now you side step it. your theory because a body "can" doesn't mean it should. if you want to use that as a landmark to begin sexual maturity then really the only sex that needs to be "mature" is the male.
at 10 to 12 the children are way too young emotionally and physically. even if they have "matured" is 16 too young, yes. would I like to see kids wait until they are 18 or more, yes. however that isn't the case. most kids start getting active around 15 and 17 is probably more the norm. I do not want any sexually active young person no matter how young to get sexually transmitted disease, nor do I want to see more teen pregnancies. so for the sexually active we need wide spread availability to BC and education for all.
Oh, good. We're basically saying the same things then, so why are we arguing?
I've admitted that BC should be a part of any serious and meaningful conversation about sex with young people.
It would seem that we agree that we should encourage youth to wait before being sexually active. I believe that falls in lock step with sending that message as a society, and the over-sexualization of everything, including our entertainment, isn't sending the right message to young people.
You're right, having such a defeatist attitude is pointless.....
Using that logic, we shouldn't try to prevent crime either, because criminals are just going to do it anyway.
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