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Old 09-25-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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March 2007?

Get real.
Yeah, the glaciers are retreating even faster now...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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Yeah, the glaciers are retreating even faster now...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
A glacier calving. Like they have been doing for a long time.

Proves nothing.
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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A glacier calving. Like they have been doing for a long time.

Proves nothing.
To you there is no proof, but people like you no longer matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMwneiXMzo0
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Actually, the 1997 Kyoto protocol vote in the Senate was 95-0, with 5 not voting. It never got submitted for ratification, it never got amended and then re-voted, nothing, In 1997, it died 95-0 on the Senate floor, and every Democrat who voted (41 of the 45 in the Senate at the time), unanimously voted nay. 95-0 opposed to a treaty is a pretty good signal to the President that it will never be ratified. Clinton never went after it again. Obama had a super majority for 18 months of his first term, and he never went anywhere near it.

Now, Clinton did do the "sign with no intent to ratify" trick, thus being able to retreat to "were it not for the pesky Senate" but the thing is, the resolution that got voted on to oppose Kyoto was written by....that's right, Robert "Grand Kleagle" Byrd and Obama's RINO homey...Chuck Hagel.

Odd, given how passionate the Dems are about MMGW and saving mother Earth...with Senate control since Jan 2009....why have they never ratified Clinton's "sing with no intent to ratify?" I'll tell you - because no sane Senator in the chamber wants their name permanently associated with a yea vote on something designed to destroy the US economy.
Bryd wasn't even up to signing his own name at this point. He would hand out pre-signed autographs that were obviously signed by someone else.

His office might have got the "credit". I'm not sure that Bryd would have had anything to do with this as he would never have supported anything that harmed coal.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Actually, the 1997 Kyoto protocol vote in the Senate was 95-0, with 5 not voting. It never got submitted for ratification, it never got amended and then re-voted, nothing, In 1997, it died 95-0 on the Senate floor, and every Democrat who voted (41 of the 45 in the Senate at the time), unanimously voted nay. 95-0 opposed to a treaty is a pretty good signal to the President that it will never be ratified. Clinton never went after it again. Obama had a super majority for 18 months of his first term, and he never went anywhere near it.

Now, Clinton did do the "sign with no intent to ratify" trick, thus being able to retreat to "were it not for the pesky Senate" but the thing is, the resolution that got voted on to oppose Kyoto was written by....that's right, Robert "Grand Kleagle" Byrd and Obama's RINO homey...Chuck Hagel.

Odd, given how passionate the Dems are about MMGW and saving mother Earth...with Senate control since Jan 2009....why have they never ratified Clinton's "sing with no intent to ratify?" I'll tell you - because no sane Senator in the chamber wants their name permanently associated with a yea vote on something designed to destroy the US economy.
The dems controlled both the senate and the house from 2007-2011.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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To you there is no proof, but people like you no longer matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMwneiXMzo0
Glaciers retreat and grow. Have been doing for quite some time since the ice age.

You have zero proof that AGW is causing it.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Bammer? Talk about a lack of respect. This makes me want to skip your uneducated blather altogether.
I recall when the liberal left referred to President Nixon as Tricky Dicky.

Not to mention the stuff the liberal left said about President GW Bush and VP Candidate Sarah Palin.

Sorry, sanpeur, but you people have no claim to the moral high ground. You people trash anyone with whose opinion you disagree. Look what you yourself say about qualified scientists who are skeptics.

Yeah, you are offended by lack of respect. Yeah, right!
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:19 PM
 
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I'm going to be charitable and assume that you at least skimmed the article... in which case, you didn't understand it. The cooling cycle is NOT catastrophic, and it isn't canceling out warming. The word catastrophic wasn't used once in the entire article. The warming is still occurring, but the cooling cycle means there are breaks in the warming. Warm saltwater subduction means it occurs every 30 years or so, then pauses, then occurs again. The heat is being pushed down beneath the surface of the ocean.

The 30 year cycles are responsible for hiding the heat in the oceans over the past 15 years or so... but when the warming cycle starts again, the temperatures will be warmer than in the 90s. This is how the staircase works... it goes up, pauses, then goes up again.
It's the CAGW scammers who termed it catastrophic global warming, so it follows that it would take catastrophic global cooling event to cancel out CAGW. And no, none of the scammer climate models showed a pause in warming due to a 30 year cyclical event. This is just scammers trying to cover their asses for being catastrophically wrong in their over blown, exaggerated claims and predictions.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Glaciers retreat and grow. Have been doing for quite some time since the ice age.

You have zero proof that AGW is causing it.
So then it should be easy for you to show me some glaciers that are growing, right?
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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Whether or not they predicted it is irrelevant... you can be wrong once and be right the next time. And if you were actually honest with yourself, you would understand that you're not reacting to the science, but to the media's interpretation of it.
Whether or not they predicted it is irrelevant ?!?!
Then why in the world should we take any of the future alarmist predictions with anything more than a grain of salt?

For the past 16 years, we have been promised nothing but runaway warming with catastrophe just around the corner if we don't act fast. We've had less warming in the last 16 years than in the last 30-60.

How in the world is this the "media's interpretation of science" when the IPCC themselves said this?!

“the observed global-mean surface temperature has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years.”
Fifth Assessment Report - Climate Change 2013
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