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Old 09-27-2014, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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umm, i agreed with you.
It was hard to tell. I thought you were talking about the kids. Sorry.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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Students in Colorado have been practicing civil disobedience over a proposal by three Conservative school board members that seeks to rewrite history and minimize the teaching of civil disobedience:

"The school board proposal that triggered the walkouts calls for instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials “promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights” and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”

Denver students stage walkout over whitewashing history | Al Jazeera America

Good on the students. It seems it's the Conservatives here who need some lessons in history. This country was founded on civil disobedience and disregard for the law.




Yes it was and for good reasons, not at the drop of a hat.

Did they include any and all civil disobedience?
I did not see that in the article.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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How many of those kids really care and did not do this just to get out of school?
I think a lot of them care about getting college credit for their course. They have skin in the game.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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Yes it was and for good reasons, not at the drop of a hat.

Did they include any and all civil disobedience?
I did not see that in the article.
You might try reading something besides Al Jezeera. I posted a link to Colorado Public Radio.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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fascism starts at home and is nurtured in the classroom, if allowed to, by society.
You are EXACTLY right...I teach my kids to "play the game" at school to get through it,but learn the truth for themselves.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Yes it was and for good reasons, not at the drop of a hat.

Did they include any and all civil disobedience?
I did not see that in the article.
"and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”"

Not encouraging or condoning civil disorder would certainly seem to be against all civil disobedience.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Good on the students. It seems it's the Conservatives here who need some lessons in history. This country was founded on civil disobedience and disregard for the law.
No, it was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among that those rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That governments exist to DEFEND THOSE RIGHTS, and when they fail to do that, they are no longer legitimate, and the people have a right to remove those governments and replace them with ones that do.

That's a far cry from being hooligans who fight for lies.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No, it was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among that those rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That governments exist to DEFEND THOSE RIGHTS, and when they fail to do that, they are no longer legitimate, and the people have a right to remove those governments and replace them with ones that do.

That's a far cry from being hooligans who fight for lies.
So, you don't believe revolution IS civil disobedience?
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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No, it was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among that those rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That governments exist to DEFEND THOSE RIGHTS, and when they fail to do that, they are no longer legitimate, and the people have a right to remove those governments and replace them with ones that do.

That's a far cry from being hooligans who fight for lies.
So you consider the American Revolutionaries who engaged in civil disorder hooligans?
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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So, you don't believe revolution IS civil disobedience?
No.

Removing a government that violates its power is not civil disobedience. It is exercising the right of a sovereign people.
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