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Old 10-01-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
The Swiss would have been rolled over by the German Army, you seriously believe armed citizens could have stopped the Nazis from invading? It was a matter of convenience for the Germans to have a neutral country close by and it served them well when it came to using it as a backdoor to flee after they lost, not to mention hiding money. Read more history and try thinking more.

I agree. Heck, the Swiss couldn't even keep Hannibal from crossing their territory with 25 elephants.

 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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First of all this post belongs in the history forum, after all history buffs need a good laugh, too.
Second if you think that 4 million big Switzerland could stand up to 80 million big Germany than you're delusional. After all Germans did not have much problem overcoming combined allied forces of Belgium, Holland, France and the UK so why would tiny Switzerland be able to withstand German attack? After all, all able-bodied Dutch, Belgians, French and British had guns as they were drafted to the army. Yes, they all have guns, tanks and airplanes and still could not withstand the German attack. Your theory that armed citizenry could change the course of WWII is simply laughable.

Why Germany never attacked the Swiss? First of all because they needed neutral Switzerland for economic and political reasons. Second, because Switzerland is virtually devoid of natural resources. Nothing there to take.
Back to school, kid. lol

There was a lot of noise that the preparedness of the Swiss military kept the bad guys away feeding into the sense of Swiss exceptionalism. In reality, it appears diplomacy was the primary factor.


The Swiss deferred to Germany from a military standpoint.
The Swiss made economic concessions with Germany.
The Swiss "washed" most of the seized gold, currency and art.
German supply trains routinely passed through the Swiss tunnels.
The Swiss ignored violations of air space.
The Swiss viewed the occasional bomb as accidental, given their proximity, and took no action.
The Swiss did not open their arms to Jewish refugees.
The Swiss were prepared to blow up their tunnels if attacked which would have been a serious inconvenience to Germany.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Old scores to settle.

Hitler didn't have a beef with nor ethnic Germans to "liberate" in Switzerland.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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The Swiss were Hitler and many Nazi's bankers and co-operated from Jews gold fillings to stealing from accounts they had before the war.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:35 AM
 
Location: North America
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Old scores to settle.

Hitler didn't have a beef with nor ethnic Germans to "liberate" in Switzerland.

There were plans to invade Switzerland (reference Operation Tannenbaum). The reason he didn't? The Swiss were their bankers. They could hide money there.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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Trust me, we are everywhere, we are cops, we are Marines, we are feds, we are pilots, we are C.E.O`s, we are people who exist in every facet,seem, and unit of America...We are wait for a time to strike, hoping that someone will prevent what is coming...But it just seems like the right is unwilling unable to stop the statist left and the statist left unable to stop their never ending quest for power and domination of the American people..One day they will push to hard, we will push back and after that it will not matter who started this war, only who ends it and how many statist thugs we can put on trial for the world to see as the liars, thieves and tyrants that they are..

It could be avoided, but some people will not stop their current course of action.....

Maybe you understand the role of a sniper is not to stop a mass assault but lay low, hide, let them pass over you, then hit them hard in the rear and destroy their gear to harass the enemy, to kill leadership to make the role of the lead to be one of death and misery, to reduce order to mayhem, to make every waking moment of life one of pure terror and paranoia...To be the unseen force of death and disruption, to be the dispatcher of sentries and the assassinator of Generals to the saboteur of grounded aircraft.

That is the role of the sniper, to be the invisible solider.



Maybe it is a single shot from a 1000 yards, Maybe its a claymore made up to look like a stamp.. Maybe its a single once of C4 or a single grenade in supply plane or docked ship carry artillery rounds is sure to create some hell for them, or maybe killing General as he stands before his men with a well place mortar round. Maybe its wasting the time and allocation of 1000 men looking for someone that does not even exist.


Google Simo Häyhä who took more the 505 Russians with a Mosin Nagant and 200 more with a Suomi KP/-31 in less then a 100 days.....

I would advise those in power to think twice about their course of actions but they never listen, or learn, or even care and it always ends the same way....
Perhaps you should consider stepping away from the internet for a bit and going outside for some fresh air. You're ignoring every correction to your OP and in general your posts seem to be getting more and more fevered. Plus these lone wolf hero fantasies... well, they probably aren't healthy.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: North America
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Perhaps you should consider stepping away from the internet for a bit and going outside for some fresh air. You're ignoring every correction to your OP and in general your posts seem to be getting more and more fevered. Plus these lone wolf hero fantasies... well, they probably aren't healthy.

Seems to me the OP completely forgot the well-armed French, who were completely unsuccessful in stopping the Nazi invasion.

He also forgot everything he learned in history class.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else View Post
Please make the case as to why the millions of armed, trained, and willing citizens of Switzerland did not prove to be a reason why the Germans did not invade the nation during WW2.
It's called an ARMY.

Switzerland, contrary to popular mythology, is one of the most militarized places on Earth. There are bomb shelters everywhere, hidden missle batteries, and universal conscription for all males plus reserve duty.

The place is a fortress.

Hitler did not need them (yet) and considering Swiss/Reich relationship was profitable, why bother?

I would note that Hitler had no qualms about declaring war on a well-armed people protected by two oceans- America.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else View Post
Trust me, we are everywhere, we are cops, we are Marines, we are feds, we are pilots, we are C.E.O`s, we are people who exist in every facet,seem, and unit of America...We are wait for a time to strike, hoping that someone will prevent what is coming...But it just seems like the right is unwilling unable to stop the statist left and the statist left unable to stop their never ending quest for power and domination of the American people..One day they will push to hard, we will push back and after that it will not matter who started this war, only who ends it and how many statist thugs we can put on trial for the world to see as the liars, thieves and tyrants that they are..

It could be avoided, but some people will not stop their current course of action.....

Maybe you understand the role of a sniper is not to stop a mass assault but lay low, hide, let them pass over you, then hit them hard in the rear and destroy their gear to harass the enemy, to kill leadership to make the role of the lead to be one of death and misery, to reduce order to mayhem, to make every waking moment of life one of pure terror and paranoia...To be the unseen force of death and disruption, to be the dispatcher of sentries and the assassinator of Generals to the saboteur of grounded aircraft.

That is the role of the sniper, to be the invisible solider.



Maybe it is a single shot from a 1000 yards, Maybe its a claymore made up to look like a stamp.. Maybe its a single once of C4 or a single grenade in supply plane or docked ship carry artillery rounds is sure to create some hell for them, or maybe killing General as he stands before his men with a well place mortar round. Maybe its wasting the time and allocation of 1000 men looking for someone that does not even exist.


Google Simo Häyhä who took more the 505 Russians with a Mosin Nagant and 200 more with a Suomi KP/-31 in less then a 100 days.....

I would advise those in power to think twice about their course of actions but they never listen, or learn, or even care and it always ends the same way....
Wow, dude. Get some sleep, willya? And actually research something before you make a mess on C-D.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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One of the better articles on the Swiss in WWII. Worth a read: Target Switzerland
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