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Old 09-30-2014, 08:19 PM
 
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Please make the case as to why the millions of armed, trained, and willing citizens of Switzerland did not prove to be a reason why the Germans did not invade the nation during WW2.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:31 PM
 
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The Swiss have an excellent defensive geographical location. And being pragmatic, sensible folks they have a tradition of educating all of their citizens in the use of firearms.

I read this clever little anecdote online -

"Shortly before World War I, the German Kaiser was the guest of the Swiss government to observe military maneuvers. The Kaiser asked a Swiss militiaman: "You are 500,000 and you shoot well, but if we attack with 1,000,000 men what will you do?" The soldier replied: 'We will shoot twice and go home.' "
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.

The fact the Swiss could and would fight has nothing at all to do with it. Germany needed a neutral state on her borders for many reasons. A banking system that could facilitate international trade during the war was one important reason. If you did not notice the Nazis also did not invade Sweden. Sweden was important to them during the war for various reasons as well as being important to the allies. Have you ever wondered why they didn't invade Spain when Spain refused to help them. After all Franco would never have won his war if not for Nazi assistance.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.

The fact the Swiss could and would fight has nothing at all to do with it. Germany needed a neutral state on her borders for many reasons. A banking system that could facilitate international trade during the war was one important reason. If you did not notice the Nazis also did not invade Sweden. Sweden was important to them during the war for various reasons as well as being important to the allies. Have you ever wondered why they didn't invade Spain when Spain refused to help them. After all Franco would never have won his war if not for Nazi assistance.
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Citizens owning guns isn't the safeguard that American gun lovers seem to think it is. Not against artillery and airstrikes.....
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.
Ummmm....

Didn't the USSR acquire that through development and lend lease AFTER Operation Barbarossa. The Soviets were no where near as strongly armed of a combat force as they were towards the end. Countless Soviet soldiers went to the front without a gun early on and told to find a gun.

Remember, Hitler had already seen the poor Soviet leadership and lesser Soviet equipment and training in action. The Soviets had invaded Finland prior to Operation Barbarossa. The Soviets had 3 times as many soldiers, 100 times as many tanks, 30 times as many aircraft and yet Finland killed 5 Soviets for every dead soldier they had. Hitler was not at all impressed with the quality of leadership, training or equipment that the Soviets had early in the war...but they did get immensely better as the war went on.

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Old 09-30-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.

The fact the Swiss could and would fight has nothing at all to do with it. Germany needed a neutral state on her borders for many reasons. A banking system that could facilitate international trade during the war was one important reason. If you did not notice the Nazis also did not invade Sweden. Sweden was important to them during the war for various reasons as well as being important to the allies. Have you ever wondered why they didn't invade Spain when Spain refused to help them. After all Franco would never have won his war if not for Nazi assistance.
Case made. Excellent post.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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The Swiss have an excellent defensive geographical location. And being pragmatic, sensible folks they have a tradition of educating all of their citizens in the use of firearms.

I read this clever little anecdote online -

"Shortly before World War I, the German Kaiser was the guest of the Swiss government to observe military maneuvers. The Kaiser asked a Swiss militiaman: "You are 500,000 and you shoot well, but if we attack with 1,000,000 men what will you do?" The soldier replied: 'We will shoot twice and go home.' "
I love that quote.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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If it were the reason for not fighting the Swiss then the Nazis surely would not have invaded the USSR. Not only did the USSR have millions of armed and willing soldiers, they had tens of thousands of pieces of artillery, an air force of thousands of aircraft and an industrial capacity to build more and more munitions.

The fact the Swiss could and would fight has nothing at all to do with it. Germany needed a neutral state on her borders for many reasons. A banking system that could facilitate international trade during the war was one important reason. If you did not notice the Nazis also did not invade Sweden. Sweden was important to them during the war for various reasons as well as being important to the allies. Have you ever wondered why they didn't invade Spain when Spain refused to help them. After all Franco would never have won his war if not for Nazi assistance.
Was everyone in the USSR armed? No.

Did everyone in the USSR know how to fight? No.

Did everyone in the USSR have the will to fight? No.

It had everything to do with it, you would not send your men into a nation were one man with a scoped rifle could pin down a 1000 men.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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Was everyone in the USSR armed? No.

Did everyone in the USSR know how to fight? No.

Did everyone in the USSR have the will to fight? No.

It had everything to do with it, you would not send your men into a nation were one man with a scoped rifle could pin down a 1000 men.
In fact, a lot of ethnic minorities in the USSR like the Ukrainians initially greeted the Germans as liberators.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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Citizens owning guns isn't the safeguard that American gun lovers seem to think it is. Not against artillery and airstrikes.....
Really? So why did the Fins, Vietcong, Mujaheddin, Taliban win?
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