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Old 10-01-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Well that solves that, lock the thread, everyone versatile knows likes Obamacare, nothing else left to talk about.
Thanks.
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Reform the federal statutory tax law, to expand choices and make health plans personal, portable and affordable.

We should empower patients, not Washington bureaucrats. - Ted Cruz.
"Affordable" is a highly subjective term.

So is the term " adequate".

Exactly how would any government make healthcare plans "affordable" in absence of a subsidy?

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Old 10-01-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We all know cancer patients can just roll into the ER and start their chemo treatment right up.....don you know that?!?!?!
I have acquired a deep appreciation for how so many know so little about healthcare insurance and/or the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
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Old 10-01-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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I have acquired a deep appreciation for how so many know so little about healthcare insurance and/or the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
You do realize I am being Sarcastic and jabbing at the right...correct?
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Old 10-01-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Thanks for the laugh, the "conservative alternative plan" would mean less Americans would have insurance, that is how it is cheaper. From what I can see this looks like a joke of a poll that basically lied to the people they called in order to get the numbers they wanted.

Let me know when the Republicans want to actually put together a plan that is better than Obamacare, not worse. They have only had 6 years to come up with such a plan.
We don't need to propose a solution when there was no problem to solve. Obamacare is the equivalent of forcing people to buy alligator insurance.
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Old 10-01-2014, 04:08 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Exactly why a centralized solution for all is ridiculous. Have a stupid plan, let those who want it join and those that don't find an alternative...I swear after seeing this gargantuan pile of law that no one can understand completely, not even those who voted for it, it would have been simpler and probably far cheaper to just expand medicaid...I mean if we are going to be totalitarians and all about it... :P
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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Thanks for the laugh, the "conservative alternative plan" would mean less Americans would have insurance, that is how it is cheaper. From what I can see this looks like a joke of a poll that basically lied to the people they called in order to get the numbers they wanted.

Let me know when the Republicans want to actually put together a plan that is better than Obamacare, not worse. They have only had 6 years to come up with such a plan.



You're saying a bad plan is better?
"Might as well do something, even if it's wrong".



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How many are uninsured now?
Compare it to the estimates/promises.
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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Number of respondents by geographical location:

New England: 50
Mid-Atlantic: 130
East North Central: 170
West North Central: 61
South Atlantic: 221
East South Central: 57
Mountain: 75
Pacific: 130

Remain Law/Repeal & Replace/Repeal Only (in percentages)
By how voter will vote on generic ballot
Republican: 11/61/25
Democratic: 58/27/5
Undecided: 20/44/16

Remain Law/Repeal & Replace/Repeal Only
By party and ideology
Republican Liberal: 43/47/11
Republican Moderate: 12/55/26
Republican Conservative: 7/66/27

Democrat Liberal: 66/21/6
Democrat Moderate: 46/36/8
Democrat Conservative: 38/41/11

Independent Liberal: 43/41/6
Independent Moderate: 26/42/18
Independent Conservative: 11/57/22

Here is an example of a leading question on the poll:
"Would you support or oppose repealing and replacing Obamacare with a conservative alternative that would save $1 trillion, reduce premiums, enhance access to doctors, and increase the number of people with private insurance by 6 million, but would cover 6 miller fewer people overall because fewer people would be on Medicaid? Plus, you'd get a pony and daily free ice cream."

Ok, I added the part about the pony and ice cream, but because that's what the question is - a fantasy question. "Take your pick - an existing system that has its problems, or something that's wonderful, full of fantastic things (but doesn't exist)?" "Uh... I'll take the wonderful, fantastic option!"

This poll is an outlier. Polls consistently show that despite a majority disapproving of the ACA (with disapproval due to various reasons, not all of them anti-universal healthcare), a minority wants it repealed. Most recently, a September Washington Post/ABC News poll found 57/39 split on keep/repeal.

Even in Romney states, more want to keep Obamacare than repeal it - The Washington Post
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:27 PM
 
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What else is funny?

Of the people who want Obamacare repealed, how many of them like the Affordable Care Act?


Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act - YouTube

I swear... most Americans are frighteningly ignorant.
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those "junk plans" cover what needs to be covered. Maybe the 50 year old man doesn't need prenatal coverage.

Let people decide for themselves what plan they like. I know statists like yourself have a hard time letting people make their own decisions.

And republicans have put forward a plan, just one example
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GO...lan_061709.pdf

I don't think I have seen so many talking points by one person in one thread before, about the only thing missing is Obamacare was actually a republican idea silliness.
Well that is how insurance works, it covers a general amount of things, not just what you think you need and don't need.

Think of it like cable, you might only watch a few channels, but you are still gonna have to pay for the whole package.
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