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Old 10-01-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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When I travel in and out of the country I have to show my passport coming and going. The country I visit has to be stamped in the passport and it includes dates. There is no excuse not to know when someone comes in from Liberia even if they are arriving from another country. If they have been to Liberia in the last 30 days it's easy to see if the passport is checked.
How would that work in real life? Doesn't seem practical, to say the least, to expect every country (Brussels in this case) to check every stamp on every passport of every traveler passing through to every other country. And then - do what? - detain them, send them back to Liberia if they've visited there within the last 30 days?
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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Does anyone think airport personnel will do a better job than the nurse that sent the patient home? One only has to look at failure of same people to detect much more obvious security violations at airports.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How would that work in real life? Doesn't seem practical, to say the least, to expect every country (Brussels in this case) to check every stamp on every passport of every traveler passing through to every other country. And then - do what? - detain them, send them back to Liberia if they've visited there within the last 30 days?
Sounds like a variation of the Tom Hanks movie, Terminal. Can you imagine?

It assumes Liberia or Sierra Leone is stamping passports. I have no idea to what extent international commercial carriers track and share passenger data.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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How would that work in real life? Doesn't seem practical, to say the least, to expect every country (Brussels in this case) to check every stamp on every passport of every traveler passing through to every other country. And then - do what? - detain them, send them back to Liberia if they've visited there within the last 30 days?
The point would be to look at the passport when they come into this country and if they have been in Liberia in the last 30 days then the CDC could be notified and do their job if anything is required.
But it makes the whole point useless if what was explained already about countries not being required to stamp and date stays in a passport. I was not aware of that. Mine has always been stamped.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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I think we should suspend visas from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. Nigeria seems to have their cases in check. Even if it is hard to catch, why put our citizens through the hassle.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:39 PM
 
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There are no direct flights from or to Liberia from the USA.

This guy went through Brussels(don't know how he got there), into JFK, down to Atlanta and over to Dallas
We don't know why this man flew to Brussels, but you are wrong about direct flights to the USA. I guess he was in too much of a hurry to wait for a direct flight .... or it could have been cheaper.

There are direct flights from Liberia to 12 difference cities in the USA.
American, Delta, United, Jet Blue, Copa, US Airways

Cities are:
Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Chicago, Miami, Charlotte, New York, Atlanta, Boston, Minneapolis/St Paul,
Denver, Los Angelos, Newark

Direct Flights between US Cities and Liberia

Delta, US Air & American have the most flights.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We don't know why this man flew to Brussels, but you are wrong about direct flights to the USA. I guess he was in too much of a hurry to wait for a direct flight .... or it could have been cheaper.

There are direct flights from Liberia to 12 difference cities in the USA.
American, Delta, United, Jet Blue, Copa, US Airways

Cities are:
Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Chicago, Miami, Charlotte, New York, Atlanta, Boston, Minneapolis/St Paul,
Denver, Los Angelos, Newark

Direct Flights between US Cities and Liberia

Delta, US Air & American have the most flights.
You are looking at flights between the U.S. and LIB, an airport in Costa Rica.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:52 PM
 
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The point would be to look at the passport when they come into this country and if they have been in Liberia in the last 30 days then the CDC could be notified and do their job if anything is required.
But it makes the whole point useless if what was explained already about countries not being required to stamp and date stays in a passport. I was not aware of that. Mine has always been stamped.
I'm not sure what the CDC, assuming it has the manpower, could do considering reports that the man did not show any signs of infection when he traveled.
This would seem to be more a matter of visa control. There have been news reports that the US had already drastically reduced the number of visas issued to Liberians but that's difficult to prove. Of course, that would bypass the issue of US citizens returning home.

I'm just not sure we can do a good job at playing nanny state. I've reluctantly accepted the post 9/11 security measures but am not ready to go down this road. When I travel overseas, I don't want to have to take a blood test to return home, and that's where I see this going.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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I'm not a believer in anyone being ask to give up their protections under the Constitution by corporations, public or private individuals. Why have them at all if someone can take them so easily on any claim they want to make.

I view this as a test and the terrorist are watching to see how we react. If we will allow something in that could create a pandemic then maybe that would be something to consider for their sick little minds. That's what war is all about, looking for the weakness in the armor of your enemy.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:54 PM
 
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I view this as a test and the terrorist are watching to see how we react. If we will allow something in that could create a pandemic
I doubt anyone wants to allow something in that could create a pandemic. The question is, do you stop a person (including US citizens trying to return home) from entering the US even if they have no signs or symptoms and might not have even been exposed?
And more important, if you think we should stop them, how exactly do you accomplish that?
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