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Old 10-02-2014, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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But many of these people cannot pay those high premiums without the subsidies.
Those Obamacare premiums are higher than before Obamacare and are only "affordable" now due to the subsidies.

This is what you get when an ill conceived program is shoved through based on "we have to pass it in order to know what's in it!"

How did that sound like a good plan to anyone?

I just looked up

 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Well, in my country, we all pay for it.
How do the people without jobs pay for it?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Gone
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This is what you get when an ill conceived program is shoved through based on "we have to pass it in order to know what's in it!"

How did that sound like a good plan to anyone?
How did it get passed if the GOP did not vote for it?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Sorry, it's a right in this country. It's literally a matter of life and death, and shouldn't only be available for those who can afford it.
No, it is not.

Inherent rights are something you are born with, and they do not include services that others must provide.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Let's see... Life. Liberty, Pursuit or Happiness - check. Freedom of Speech - check. Freedom of Assembly - check. Fair and Impartial Trial - check. Right to vote - yep! Where's the part about healthcare?

It's a right only as far as the liberal left has been able to push it via shenanigans. A matter of life and death? How so? Has anyone, anywhere, at any time ultimately been spared from dying at some point? You say people should have a higher quality of life? Well so should I, so will you guarantee me a bigger house, a nicer car, and more frequent vacations? After all, if some have those things and I don't, well that's just not fair! They shouldn't be available only to those who can afford them, right?

OK, forget about the car part. I already have a nice car. I'm not saying everyone can't have one. I'm not saying everyone shouldn't have one. I'm just of the mind that I'm not going to pay for everyone to have one. If you want one, then go buy one through your own means. If you can't afford one, don't come crying to me. If you really need one, you'll find a way or do without - just like any other consumer product - but it's not up to society to provide one for you.
What are you babbling about? You won't die if you don't have a bigger house, a nicer car or ore frequent vacations.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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How did it get passed if the GOP did not vote for it?
Are you kidding me? The GOP was locked out and not a single Republican voted for it. The DNC controlled the House and Senate for two years. Did you forget that?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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It's not that I don't have a heart, but I am a big believer in personal responsibility. And the problem is, it's like there are no limits / boundaries. Want to argue critical healthcare should be subsidized? Okay, in a vacuum, I could see that. But within six months, it turns into taxpayers paying for some loon's gender change. A little assistance for those down on tough times? Okay, I can get there on that. But the system is overloaded by people who make this a way of life. And that is where the resentment come from.
Healthcare, unemployment, other benefits for our fellow countrymen? Okay, maybe but we're stretching here. Oh wait, now you want to let anyone into the country that wants these benefits? Overload the system with 20 million illegal people? Why would this ever be allowed?
Where do you draw the line? That's the problem. And the rampant abuse of the system is what makes hard working people so resentful.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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What are you babbling about? You won't die if you don't have a bigger house, a nicer car or ore frequent vacations.
You wont but he would.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Originally Posted by Workin_Hard View Post
Let's see... Life. Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness - check. Freedom of Speech - check. Freedom of Assembly - check. Fair and Impartial Trial - check. Right to vote - yep! Where's the part about healthcare?

It's a right only as far as the liberal left has been able to push it via shenanigans. A matter of life and death? How so? Has anyone, anywhere, at any time ultimately been spared from dying at some point? You say people should have a higher quality of life? Well so should I, so will you guarantee me a bigger house, a nicer car, and more frequent vacations? After all, if some have those things and I don't, well that's just not fair! They shouldn't be available only to those who can afford them, right?

OK, forget about the car part. I already have a nice car. I'm not saying everyone can't have one. I'm not saying everyone shouldn't have one. I'm just of the mind that I'm not going to pay for everyone to have one. If you want one, then go buy one through your own means. If you can't afford one, don't come crying to me. If you really need one, you'll find a way or do without - just like any other consumer product - but it's not up to society to provide one for you.
Just a small reality check to add: You already do pay for those without insurance through higher healthcare costs and higher Insurance Premiums, getting rid of ACA will only increase those costs even more.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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That's what they mean by "passing the law to see what's in it". Perhaps, just perhaps, it would be a good idea to actually read a bill before signing it.
Get out of here with your crazy ideas.
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