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Yet before we invaded Iraq the middle east was much more stable, wasn't it? Our invasion destabilized the entire region, it affected not only Iraq but a delicate balance between Sunni and Shia and most importantly gave Al-qaeda a big boost as WE proved that we are in fact a big imperial giant that goes around knocking out legitimate government and countries. That's exactly what al-qaeda accused us of...
Most importantly, our invasion of Iraq gave moral power to those who opposed relatively pro-Western governments of Egypt, Syria and Libya, replacing them (or in case of Syria, trying to replace them) with much more hostile to the US government based on muslim fundamentalism. We did that ourselves.
And the graph you posted here... LOL Brilliant, I like the colors lol but I am not sure where it came from or if it took into consideration the TOTAL cost of war including cost of taking soldiers away from their jobs and families and then the cost of rehabilitating them once they come back to the US. The total cost of war is much more than just DOD spending, some of it, like the cost of caring for disabled veterans and their families will be a burden for the next 50 years.
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Originally Posted by Camlon
The middle east is good at destabilizing themselves. Egypt never had their dictator overthrown by United States, it eventually got a revolution. Iraq under Saddam may experience the same thing. We don't know what would happen, but no matter what US does, there will still be problems in the middle east.
And really? The Iraq war would make a dramatic difference in US economic outlook. I think you have been smoking the same weed that the OP has.
No, YOU are delusional, Bush only won because brother Jeb cooked the books, and Obama would never have gotten into office if Gore has not been cheated. Hey, becha 10k that rich boy Mitt would have made things even better... for the 1%ers!
We just would have had "Obama" eight years earlier.
Incompetent, anti-business, high spending, high taxes liberal with another name (Gore vs Obama) produces the same effect- poor economy, more unemployed, higher taxes, and lower incomes.
Wake up- liberal politics fail, regardless of the messenger. You cannot take an inherently flawed, growth killing philosophy and expect it to "perform" with another label or face in the white house.
Obama CREATED ISIS and the new rise of Islamic extremists (as Jimmy Carter did before him). Incompetent liberal politics produces the same disasterous effect, regardless of the time or the messenger. Carter gave us Iran and Obama gave us ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Exactly. Funny how the liberals continue to rake Bush over the coals for not predicting and stopping 9/11 yet Obama gets a free pass for ignoring ISIS and calling them JV until his hand was FORCED to do something.
And not invading Iraq mean that we would not destabilize the middle East and not polarized the Muslim world pushing many Muslims to support fanatics out of their disdain for the us. Domestically the trillions spent on war in Iraq would stay in the us changing our economic outlook dramatically.
That would be a huge difference.
You really think the Middle East would have remained stable? There has always been conflict in that region, and yes the US does make things worse when it meddles. Iraq was once our ally until they decided to invade Kuwait. We had to take action. The US has a responsibility in the region like it or not especially when these countries are developing nuclear technology.
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ISIS would not exist. Saddam killed any extremists in his country. The economy would be thriving because debt levels would not have been inflated with trillions more.
Every once in awhile someone creates a thread thats utterly histerical...
This is todays...
So obama had to create trillions of dollars in new debt to stimulate, but the economy crashed because of the trillions of dollars in debt.
Yeah I'm sure ISIS and other terrorists are only coming to light because of Bush.. If thats true then THANK YOU BUSH because without him, according to YOUR argument, they would have grown and grown and become a force to recon with WITHOUT anyone knowing they existed..
And not invading Iraq mean that we would not destabilize the middle East and not polarized the Muslim world pushing many Muslims to support fanatics out of their disdain for the us. Domestically the trillions spent on war in Iraq would stay in the us changing our economic outlook dramatically.
That would be a huge difference.
Haha, so now its Bushs fault Iraq allowed terrorists camps to exist inside of Iraq, outside of Baghdad during the Clinton years?
Our economic outlook crashed because of short term financing and lending to people not warranted, not because of iraq.
where the hell do you guys come up with the crazy theories that government spending is now responsible for an economic crash? This only becomes 10x funnier since you guys all shouted for more government spending to save the economy..
Op needs also to remember that ISIS was first heard of as one of rebel groups started revolt against Syrian government. Obama along with UK and France assisted by bombing Syrian forces after they used WMD's. Obama even drew his famous redline. When Obama did his withdraw from Iraq they moved to take Iraq territory gaining oil fields to finance along with it. So perhaps Op is saying Syria held down radicals until Obama assisted in weakening them?
Imagine if Gore wasn't cheated out of his presidency by the Bush mafia...
ISIS would not exist. Saddam killed any extremists in his country. The economy would be thriving because debt levels would not have been inflated with trillions more. Unemployment would be in check. Thousands of US soldiers would still be alive, as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians.
Yes, Bush gave us the gift that just keeps on giving... hello ISIS.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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