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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
Last time Michigan voted red in a presidential election was 1988.
I thought you democrats say that gerrymandering is the only reason the legislature is red? And by gerrymandering you mean not splitting up urban areas like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, etc with red areas...because Detroit will vote 90+% blue.
We arent talking about a Presidential election though. When it comes to local elections and state wide its a whole new ball game.
Thats why States like Michigan can have Republican governors and Kentucky can have a Democratic one.
Again, you follow politics, i dont understand why you are playing dumb here.
She has been running adds saying that she is not Obama...now she won't even admit that she voted for him.
Romney did get 60% of the vote in that state, but Obama must be toxic when the Democrat candidate in a close race can't even admit who she voted for, for fear of losing votes.
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Originally Posted by Ed from California
Dims on the run? Priceless.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
I'm not outraged that she avoided a simple question. Stop being a drama queen.
~200 Democrats in the House and Senate up for reelection and almost all of them are avoiding being seen or associated with Obama. Even in relatively blue Michigan Gary Peters is campaigning that he is willing to oppose Obama.
The bottom line is.... the President is black.
Republicans have spent 6 years fear mongering, lying, and pointing the President as a failure. Citizens aren't even aware that the economy has eclipsed its pre-recession numbers. All that matters is getting the socialist, communist, Muslim, Kenyan black man out of the white house.
In deep red Kentucky... the word Obama is enough to immediately turn off 2/3 of all voters. It is no surprise Grimes is running from Obama to win.
We arent talking about a Presidential election though. When it comes to local elections and state wide its a whole new ball game.
Thats why States like Michigan can have Republican governors and Kentucky can have a Democratic one.
Again, you follow politics, i dont understand why you are playing dumb here.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
Last time Michigan voted red in a presidential election was 1988.
I thought you democrats say that gerrymandering is the only reason the legislature is red? And by gerrymandering you mean not splitting up urban areas like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, etc with red areas...because Detroit will vote 90+% blue.
Both of you are oversimplifying it.
Michigan is a blue state that is trending more blue. That doesn't mean Republicans win no seats or the governorship. Michigan Republicans will naturally be closer to the center than a bright red state like Kentucky. A Michigan Republican candidate is probably close to Lundergan Grimes in Kentucky. So while a Democratic governor / Senator can win in a red-state... they will be further to the right than a Democrat from NY or California.
Gerrymandering is without a doubt the only reason Michigan's legislature is red. Michigan is a blue state trending blue. It has gotten more blue over the last five election cycles (albeit, not as fast as states like Illinois and NY).
Detroit will vote blue because all major cities vote blue. Cities have nothing to do with gerrymandering... other than GOP politicians drawing the boundaries around them to put the suburbs in play.
Sure but if she is running to represent KY voters in the US Senate, isn't it reasonable for voters to want to know with whom she is aligned politically?
Sure she has the right to stonewall on this, but by the same token the voters of KY have the right not to vote for her over her lack of transparency. This is not an ordinary voter; this is someone who is asking to be sent to DC to vote on legislation that will regulate our lives.
They know who she is aligned with politically.....Democrats.
It's no one's business who we vote for. If we choose to volunteer the information, that's our right. And if we choose NOT to volunteer that information, that's our right. It's not stonewalling. It's asserting a right.
She has been running adds saying that she is not Obama...now she won't even admit that she voted for him.
Romney did get 60% of the vote in that state, but Obama must be toxic when the Democrat candidate in a close race can't even admit who she voted for, for fear of losing votes.
She should just tell the righties what they love to hear and give it the ol' "Well, I don't remember"
Last time Michigan voted red in a presidential election was 1988.
I thought you democrats say that gerrymandering is the only reason the legislature is red? And by gerrymandering you mean not splitting up urban areas like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, etc with red areas...because Detroit will vote 90+% blue.
Yes, always back to Bush.
You admit that Bush and Obama are two peas in a pod.
Why do Obama supporters always oppose transparency of candidates for office? Of course this politician has the right to hide her most simple and basic politics from the voters, but is that ethical?
-How dare a citizen ask an unscripted question to a man running for president! 2008 Obama with Joe the Plumber.
-How dare a reporter ask who a prospective US Senator is aligned with politically in DC! 2014 Grimes.
This is nothing to do with transparency. We have an entire system of voting that is based on SECRET ballots, because it is NO ONE'S BUSINESS WHO WE VOTE FOR.
If you don't have privacy, you don't have freedom. Privacy is a prerequisite for freedom.
Gerrymandering is without a doubt the only reason Michigan's legislature is red. Michigan is a blue state trending blue. It has gotten more blue over the last five election cycles (albeit, not as fast as states like Illinois and NY).
The Michigan legislature as well as most other states turned Republican in 2010 before any gerrymandering instigated by the Republicans took place; the district boundaries were the same ones that produced a Democratic legislature previously . The recent red tilt of the state politics is plainly seen in the gubernatorial elections, which take place over the same area every time.
If gerrymandering explains every Republican victory in a blue state regardless of any supporting evidence or logic we can just as easily attribute every Democratic victory in a red state to gerrymandering.
What's anyone's business who voted for who? More manufactured outrage from the OP. I'm gonna laugh so hard when Hillary takes the White House in 2016. RWNJ outrage is so funny and entertaining to watch
Nobody's business to see tax records either of candidates but they are asked that.
You don't even know who she is running against yet but you know you want her as President even though she was caught lying in the White House travel office scandal, fired from the Watergate investigation for ethics violations, and discovered to have been organizing character assassinations against the victims of her husband's sexual harassment in direct violation of the principle of not blaming the victim.
Then you want to talk about RWNJ? I don't think you have any room to be calling someone else a political nutjob.
What's anyone's business who voted for who? More manufactured outrage from the OP. I'm gonna laugh so hard when Hillary takes the White House in 2016. RWNJ outrage is so funny and entertaining to watch
It is a reasonable question to ask a politician running for office, especially when the candidate herself mentions Obama in her campaign.
She should just say "yes I voted for Obama. I am a Democrat and thought he was the best candidate for President." That is hardly a difficult thing to say. It gives her an opportunity to say what has changed and explain what makes her different.
Being evasive is always the wrong strategy. If you can't explain your behavior in the recent past you aren't very capable of acting on your feet nor communicating your positions.
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