Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Didn't Bush do exactly those two things? He STARTED baseless wars against Afghanistan and Iraq that destabilized both regions and caused the conflicts Obama has to deal with now. He also crashed the economy by pushing thru complete corporate deregulation. Obama being the worst president because things got worse than the moment Bush left office is like blaming the 9/11 rescue workers for not rescuing people fast enough.
Now, here's where I *won't* go.
Baseless war in Afghanistan? Excuse me? Do you not remember that time when terrorists based in Afghanistan crashed commercial airliners they knew to be full of fuel, into the Pentagon and the World Trade Towers? And then Osama Bin Laden popped up and said "Yes, My organization did that.", and we told the Afghani government to dismantle them because we had had enough of their attacks, and their reply was "No, they are our guests"?
George W. Bush, in declaring war there, made the absolute correct call.
Blaming Obama for Iraq is, of course, silly. But the Afghani government was hosting an increasingly murderous terrorist group - and frankly, the Taliban were hardly the best group of people in any case - destroying monuments, attacking girls who wanted to learn things, and the like. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.
I'm sorry, but he isn't even close. Before you call me a "leftist warrior" I also don't think Bush was the "worst president ever". I find it hard how people will gloss over a President like Andrew Jackson who arguably committed genocide even when the Supreme Court told him to stop. Obama has his faults but he is far from the worst.
I am sure this question has been asked before but it just seems that everything this president does works against that very thing that made the United States the best country in the world period. Now with dropping the ball on Ebola, elimination of massive amounts of jobs, doing nothing to help the middle class in reality, we will most likely fall into the absolute worst recession or depression sometime soon in 2015, printing of money, open U.S borders, our future social security checks will be eaten by welfare, the ongoing war and the list continues, what was left in manufacturing has been chased out to Canada and alike. I cannot leave out the division that has been created as well over the last 6 years making everything about race or equality. Just imagine of there is an amnesty, far fewer Americans will have work.
Nothing is looking on the bright side.
I know there are those leftist warriors that will continue to stand behind this administration all the way to the end, but at the same there are a ton of democrats that have left the extreme left this administration has brought them.
he's been President just over 5 years now, and has already headlined 393 campaign fundraisers, played 192 rounds of golf, and taken 138 vacation days. Given how most cushy executive jobs give 4-6 weeks vacation every year, I can handle him taking about ~6 weeks each year. And he plays about 40 rounds of golf per year, which for your avid golfer is about right. Yeah yeah, CinC, leader of free world, blah blah. I actually can justify the vacation and golf.
But 393 fundraisers? In Dubyah's whole 8 years he did 314, which imho is about 314 too many, since the job of President is not party fundraising, but being chief executive. At Obama's current pace, he'll end up headlining more than 600 fundraisers for one Dem or another. Is that the primary function of President now?
When he was elected, I said he had never done anything other than campaign for the next job. It's his entire resume - campaigning. His tenure so far reflects that observation quite well. Dealing with ISIS, Putin, Fast & Furious, blah blah blah...to heck with all that "do the job you were elected for" nonsense, I got funds to raise yo.
The man is incapable of doing a job, and really is only good at interviewing for and then claiming to be good at them. Yeah, he's the worst so far, but in fairness to Obama, it's because he was never qualified to hold the job anyway, so it's about as fair as if we promoted a fry cook to the position of Micro$oft CEO and then 5 years later declared that fry cook the worst CEO ever.
I too am OK with all the golf and vacation as I know any competent businessman can get things done with a computer and phone. However, for this president I can't really find anything good that he has done. We now have massive racism that we always had but far less. It seems they stoke the fires everytime there is a white black issue. Personally I am a 90's guy and never saw this kind of racism against white people ever or should I say division.
Next remember we have a debt that will not go away, we the American people will have to pay a price for this and it will be when he is no longer in office. What about all the lies? The American people used to trust government somewhat at least, now there is no trust among the majority because they used power against the people, first time ever.
Regulating speech by fear of intimidation. telling me any other administration that has done that.
What about 20 plus million that will be competing for American jobs at half the price of an American if Amnesty goes through.
How about the pathway to socialism? Once we get there, there will be no turning back and the end of any kind of entrepreneurial spirit. Big business only has room for 15% of the people for work so with no entrepreneurs we are one broke nation.
And most people could write all day long about this, not even speaking of Obamacare, all the uninsured and those that took subsidiaries will eventually lose their homes upon death, so no inheritance for the children.
I too am OK with all the golf and vacation as I know any competent businessman can get things done with a computer and phone. However, for this president I can't really find anything good that he has done. We now have massive racism that we always had but far less. It seems they stoke the fires everytime there is a white black issue. Personally I am a 90's guy and never saw this kind of racism against white people ever or should I say division.
Then you were living with rose-colored glasses because they definitely existed. Even if race problems got worse under Obama, he has done absolutely nothing to exacerbate the problem, and any action to slow it would be blocked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
Next remember we have a debt that will not go away, we the American people will have to pay a price for this and it will be when he is no longer in office.
The debt is decided by Congress, Obama has little control over it other than not vetoing austerity measures. Wasteful spending is supported by both parties and this is not the only time the US has been ind debt. Total debt does not even matter so long as its growth does not exceed that of GDP growth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
What about all the lies? The American people used to trust government somewhat at least, now there is no trust among the majority because they used power against the people, first time ever.
Not the first time ever. Japanese internment and the red scare sure weren't symbols of trust.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
Regulating speech by fear of intimidation. telling me any other administration that has done that.
The Adams presidency, where opponents were literally jailed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
What about 20 plus million that will be competing for American jobs at half the price of an American if Amnesty goes through.
If they're granted amnesty, they still have wot work minimum wage, which is what the Americans would be paid for the kind of work they;re getting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
How about the pathway to socialism? Once we get there, there will be no turning back and the end of any kind of entrepreneurial spirit. Big business only has room for 15% of the people for work so with no entrepreneurs we are one broke nation.
This socialism talk is scare-mongering, plain and simple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinctwentyone
And most people could write all day long about this, not even speaking of Obamacare, all the uninsured and those that took subsidiaries will eventually lose their homes upon death, so no inheritance for the children.
Didn't Bush do exactly those two things? He STARTED baseless wars against Afghanistan and Iraq that destabilized both regions and caused the conflicts Obama has to deal with now. He also crashed the economy by pushing thru complete corporate deregulation. Obama being the worst president because things got worse than the moment Bush left office is like blaming the 9/11 rescue workers for not rescuing people fast enough.
Obama is definately NOT the worst President in history. There are actually quite a few candidates who are far, far worse. Im looking at you James Buchanan!!
I would not say Obama has been a great President either, just kind of middle of the road.
I agree that there have been far worse Presidents than Obama. It is also true that Obama makes Carter and Clinton look good by comparison. At least both Carter and Clinton had executive experience and knew something about what the job entailed. Something that is clearly lacking with Obama.
One can describe Obama as being completely inept and utterly incompetent and be correct. However, one cannot accurately describe Obama as being the worst President in US history, not by a long shot.
A lot of right wingers think so, but no. Harding and Buchanan set the bar very low and none have managed to get below it. The lens of history changes a lot. A lot of people are praising Johnson for the Civil Rights act and Medicare, forgetting that he was driven from office for keeping the losing war in Vietnam going.
But I will agree with the guy who said calling him a socialist gives a bad name to socialists.
Last edited by pvande55; 10-03-2014 at 07:24 PM..
Reason: Add line
I'm sorry, but he isn't even close. Before you call me a "leftist warrior" I also don't think Bush was the "worst president ever". I find it hard how people will gloss over a President like Andrew Jackson who arguably committed genocide even when the Supreme Court told him to stop. Obama has his faults but he is far from the worst.
Then you will be in good company, because I agree with you. I am a constitutional conservative, who did not vote for either Bush43 or Obama. Both were/are far too liberal for me.
Those who consider Obama has being the worst President in US history are either: 1) Ideologues; or 2) Have no clue about American history; or 3) both.
A lot of right wingers think so, but no. Harding and Buchanan set the bar very low and none have managed to get below it. The lens of history changes a lot. A lot of people are praising Johnson for the Civil Rights act and Medicare, forgetting that he was driven from office for keeping the losing war in Vietnam going.
LBJ was not the first Democrat President to deliberately lie to Congress in order to start a war. That would be Democrat President Polk, who deliberately lied to Congress in order to start the Mexican/American war in 1846. Polk told Congress that the US Army was attacked by the Mexican military while on US soil. In reality, the US Army had already invaded Mexico and was more than 100 miles inside Mexico before they were attacked. Then there was the Zimmerman Telegraph that Democrat President Wilson manufactured in order to persuade Congress to get involved in WW I. And lets not forget about the deliberate lie Clinton told Congress about the fictitious genocide occurring in Kosovo in order to get authorization to use military force against the Serbs. The reality is that US and NATO forces killed more Kosovars than the Serbs ever did.
Democrat Presidents have a very long history of deliberately lying to Congress in order to involve the US in foreign wars.
Of course now we have Democrat President Obama who does not even bother asking Congress for their constitutional approval, he just wages wars where ever it suits him on a whim.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
