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Old 10-03-2014, 08:31 PM
 
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LBJ was not the first Democrat President to deliberately lie to Congress in order to start a war. That would be Democrat President Polk,
Please - don't start making this argument. The Democrat/Republican shift happened under FDR after he more or less completely reformed the party and they switched places.
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Then there was the Zimmerman Telegraph that Democrat President Wilson manufactured in order to persuade Congress to get involved in WW I.
Are you SERIOUS? Wilson was one of the most staunch isolationists in the US at the time. You realize that the US went to war several years after the Lusitania? That alone was enough reason to go to war if Wilson was war hawk.
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And lets not forget about the deliberate lie Clinton told Congress about the fictitious genocide occurring in Kosovo in order to get authorization to use military force against the Serbs.
The "fictitious" genocide that's been proven to happen.
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The reality is that US and NATO forces killed more Kosovars than the Serbs ever did.
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Democrat Presidents have a very long history of deliberately lying to Congress in order to involve the US in foreign wars.
Nonsense.

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Of course now we have Democrat President Obama who does not even bother asking Congress for their constitutional approval, he just wages wars where ever it suits him on a whim.
That power came into being under Bush, with the War Powers Act. He then utilized in Iraq.

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Old 10-04-2014, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Obama will receive far better grades than the obstructionist Republicans of this era. Worst ever? Not even close.
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Old 10-04-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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President Obama is very much like Woodrow Wilson. He probably will be viewed similarly by future generations. The key difference is that there was no predecessor/challenger like Teddy Roosevelt that he can build off of and implement their brilliant policy.

As a Lincolnian/Rooseveltian Republican, I am looking for a true leader with the charisma, intelligence and conviction to address the needs of the majority of the hard-working people of this country who want to leave the world a better place with a brighter future for their children and their children's children. President Obama made the claim that he was the one in his speeches, but he has yet to follow it up with true action and conviction. His speeches do not charge the people with positivity directing them to move forward with a common goal. Instead he leaves people focusing on the country's troubles without a sense of direction or connectedness. Like Wilson, I do believe he approaches leadership from an academic viewpoint. I believe he feels he is doing what is right but is frustrated by those who don't trust his policies, yet he cannot accept the criticism of his flaws, work with others to improve them, or sell his policies to the very people they are designed to help.

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Old 10-04-2014, 08:27 AM
 
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Obama will receive far better grades than the obstructionist Republicans of this era. Worst ever? Not even close.
Your hero's legacy will be that he is well-spoken and clean. Nothing more. A community organizer who couldn't organize his own thoughts.

He will have golfed his way through office.
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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President Obama is very much like Woodrow Wilson. He probably will be viewed similarly by future generations. The key difference is that there was no predecessor/challenger like Teddy Roosevelt that he can build off of and implement their brilliant policy.

As a Lincolnian/Rooseveltian Republican, I am looking for a true leader with the charisma, intelligence and conviction to address the needs of the majority of the hard-working people of this country who want to leave the world a better place with a brighter future for their children and their children's children. President Obama made the claim that he was the one in his speeches, but he has yet to follow it up with true action and conviction. His speeches do not charge the people with positivity directing them to move forward with a common goal. Instead he leaves people focusing on the country's troubles without a sense of direction or connectedness. Like Wilson, I do believe he approaches leadership from an academic viewpoint. I believe he feels he is doing what is right but is frustrated by those who don't trust his policies, yet he cannot accept the criticism of his flaws, work with others to improve them, or sell his policies to the very people they are designed to help.
Wasn't Wilson a progressive Marxist?
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I think the poster you are responding to might be mixing up the budget deficit with the national debt. There is no doubt Obama has been a disaster regarding our debt which is spiraling out of control.

[SIZE=6]U.S. N[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]ATIONAL[/SIZE] [SIZE=+3]D[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]EBT[/SIZE] [SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]LOCK[/SIZE]

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 03 Oct 2014 at 02:03:44 PM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 319,136,744
so each citizen's share of this debt is $56,024.23. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.48 billion per day since September 30, 2012!

You need to also say that the debt of the American people is 11 Trillion dollars, private corporations (business) is 16 Trillion dollars and our financial institutions are in debt to the tune of 23 Trillion dollars add this all up and it is 50 Trillion dollars or about three times larger than our public debt All this debt is what is needed to have a working economy. If you have a real job in todays America you probably are being paid by money someone borrowed.
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Wasn't Wilson a progressive Marxist?
That is an oxymoron. Marxism is regressive, therefore there can be no such thing as a "progressive Marxist."
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:41 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I believe he feels he is doing what is right but is frustrated by those who don't trust his policies, yet he cannot accept the criticism of his flaws, work with others to improve them, or sell his policies to the very people they are designed to help.
These are the traits we learn in the Business and Real world.
From day 1 many of us could see Obama would never have these skills.

He's the spoiled kid who was always given a trophy and never learned to fail then adjust.
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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These are the traits we learn in the Business and Real world.
From day 1 many of us could see Obama would never have these skills.

He's the spoiled kid who was always given a trophy and never learned to fail then adjust.
The bolded portion of your post sounds exactly like the Marxist utopia the liberal freaks have been trying to foist on the US for the last few decades. Of course the rest of that sentence (the part that is not bolded) explains the flaw in their Marxist ideology.

Remember "Outcome Based Education?" It is not that little Johnny has failed, he is merely deferring success.
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:37 PM
 
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These are the traits we learn in the Business and Real world.
From day 1 many of us could see Obama would never have these skills.

He's the spoiled kid who was always given a trophy and never learned to fail then adjust.
Yeah, he's never lost a single thing in his life. Not a father, not an election to congress against Bobby Rush. Not like the Titans of Wall Street.
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