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That is not what we have. Look up the definition of Marriage, it doesn't apply to two men or two women, just like it doesn't apply to one man and five women or a man and his sister.
You can't call any of those relationships a "Marriage" because they do not fit under the definition of Marriage, which is one man and one woman only. Now remove Marriage from the Law entirely and just give people Civil Unions (straight and gay) with the same legal benefits (again, straight and gay) and leave it at that. Marriages will be a private, non-legal thing among Churches and Synagogues etc.....a couple could get "Married" in a church but the State will not grant them a Marriage Certificate, only a Civil-Union status. That's how it will be for EVERYONE.
Civil marriage law is defined by the law - and nothing else. It is separate from and unrelated to religious definitions or understandings of marriage.
So again, we have religious marriages that are separate from the government, and civil marriages that grant legal benefits and are separate from the Church.
That's exactly what you said you wanted. What's the problem?
That is not what we have. Look up the definition of Marriage, it doesn't apply to two men or two women, just like it doesn't apply to one man and five women or a man and his sister.
You can't call any of those relationships a "Marriage" because they do not fit under the definition of Marriage, which is one man and one woman only. Now remove Marriage from the Law entirely and just give people Civil Unions (straight and gay) with the same legal benefits (again, straight and gay) and leave it at that. Marriages will be a private, non-legal thing among Churches and Synagogues etc.....a couple could get "Married" in a church but the State will not grant them a Marriage Certificate, only a Civil-Union status. That's how it will be for EVERYONE.
Actually they do these days, or didn't you know they update definitions as the world progresses?
Nope that is Your Definition, once again making statement does not equate to them being true.
Not going to happen because you have hundreds of millions of people that are already married and they are not going to allow their status to be changed because some Conservatives do not like the idea of sharing our title with gays. Besides by changing everyone's "status" it would also effect their legal benefits. Nope never going to happen, oh and just so you know some gays do get married in a Church so they are by your definition ...............Married
Looks to me like the SC feels America is not quite ready for them to lay down the law across the US.
So sad because this is so messed up the way it is now.
They should just do it like they did with interracial marriage back in the 60's and then let the chips fall where they may and eventually settle down.
Not sure what to think of this, both sides really wanted this resolved once and for all, but it looks like the Supreme Court will just let lower courts and States themselves choose the path slowly towards allowing it nation wide.
Well, the US Constitution says hands off all marriage issues. Those are left to the states, without an amendment saying the government can get involved......
Well, the US Constitution says hands off all marriage issues. Those are left to the states, without an amendment saying the government can get involved......
Well, the US Constitution says hands off all marriage issues. Those are left to the states, without an amendment saying the government can get involved......
With regards to North Carolina, South Carolina, Colorado, Kansas, West Virginia, and Wyoming: although the circuit court rulings have been upheld, it should be noted that same-sex couples cannot get married in those states as of yet. However, those bans will be struck down once and for all within the coming weeks, and in Colorado, Attorney General John Suthers (R) has ordered all 64 county clerks to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples "once all the legal formalities are processed".
Plus, this does not mean that SCOTUS has said that they will not rule on SSM at all this term. If, say, the uber-conservative Fifth Circuit upholds the SSM bans in their states, that would provide the split that would allow SCOTUS to step in. Of course, they could still say no, in which case same-sex marriage would be legal in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
But wow, what a day! Just two years ago, nobody thought that Utah and Oklahoma would ever allow same-sex marriage within their borders, and look at where we are.
So to recap:
- States where same-sex marriage is completely legal: Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Utah, New Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii. SSM is also legal in the District of Columbia.
- States where legalization is imminent (some minor legal formalities must take place): Colorado, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kansas, and Wyoming.
- Same-sex marriage is recognized in Missouri, but cannot be performed there.
- The federal government recognizes all same-sex marriages performed in states where it is legal to do so.
- Ten Native American tribes perform same-sex marriages.
Various other states have same-sex proceedings on hold in federal and state courts, while others haven't even had one ruling.
With regards to North Carolina, South Carolina, Colorado, Kansas, West Virginia, and Wyoming: although the circuit court rulings have been upheld, it should be noted that same-sex couples cannot get married in those states as of yet. However, those bans will be struck down once and for all within the coming weeks, since the SCOTUS refusal of appeals serves as precedent.
Plus, this does not mean that SCOTUS has said that they will not rule on SSM at all this term. They have until January to grant cert to a case, so if, say, the uber-conservative Fifth Circuit upholds the SSM bans in their states, that would provide the split that would allow SCOTUS to step in. Of course, they could still say no, in which case same-sex marriage would be legal in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
But wow, what a day! Just two years ago, nobody thought that Utah and Oklahoma would ever allow same-sex marriage within their borders, and look at where we are.
- skbl17
The Colorado Attorney General - a Republican who'd been fighting to keep gay marriage banned - just announced that gay marriage is now effectively legal in CO and that all county clerks in CO must issue marriage certificates to gay couples that want them.
With regards to North Carolina, South Carolina, Colorado, Kansas, West Virginia, and Wyoming: although the circuit court rulings have been upheld, it should be noted that same-sex couples cannot get married in those states as of yet. However, those bans will be struck down once and for all within the coming weeks, since the SCOTUS refusal of appeals serves as precedent.
Plus, this does not mean that SCOTUS has said that they will not rule on SSM at all this term. They have until January to grant cert to a case, so if, say, the uber-conservative Fifth Circuit upholds the SSM bans in their states, that would provide the split that would allow SCOTUS to step in. Of course, they could still say no, in which case same-sex marriage would be legal in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
But wow, what a day! Just two years ago, nobody thought that Utah and Oklahoma would ever allow same-sex marriage within their borders, and look at where we are.
- skbl17
I just read that the Colorado Attorney General has told all county clerks to prepare to start issuing licenses to SS couples
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