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Old 10-06-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: CO
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Models make predictions and NONE of them predicted the slowdown we are seeing.
Despite the fact that "the science is settled" and we have this 97% consensus, none of them can EXPLAIN the slowdown we are seeing.
Stay on-topic. It is your thread after all.
Your article speaks specifically to deep water temperatures. This is recent data. I am not aware of any deep sea temperature models.
I never mention settled science or consensus.
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: CO
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Tell that to James Hansen and model worshipers everywhere wh said that there would be 0.85 W/m2 imbalance at the end of the 1990s.


It seems models have overstated warming. Alarmist fail again

http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpr...6592hansen.pdf
Sorry you remain so confused.
This thread speaks to recent data on deep sea temperatures.
You've failed again.
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Before Argo floats were deployed, temperature measurements in the Southern Ocean were spotty, at best. Using satellite measurements and climate simulations of sea level changes around the world, the new study found the global ocean absorbed far more heat in those 35 years than previously thought -- a whopping 24 to 58 percent more than early estimates.

Does it really matter whether the heat is stored deep or shallow?
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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Sorry you remain so confused.
This thread speaks to recent data on deep sea temperatures.
You've failed again.
I'm confused? Maybe you don't understand how this new data is useful to see whether the models are skillful or not.

"energy imbalance for the Earth.. 0.64 ± 0.44 W m−2 from 2005 to 2013" while Jim Hansen's models said 0.85W2m by the 1990's

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journ...imate2387.html
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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Stay on-topic. It is your thread after all.
Your article speaks specifically to deep water temperatures. This is recent data. I am not aware of any deep sea temperature models.
I never mention settled science or consensus.
it is on topic because the computer models and the consensus missed this development and they STILL can't explain it.
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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From the OP's link.....

Before Argo floats were deployed, temperature measurements in the Southern Ocean were spotty, at best. Using satellite measurements and climate simulations of sea level changes around the world, the new study found the global ocean absorbed far more heat in those 35 years than previously thought -- a whopping 24 to 58 percent more than early estimates.

Does it really matter whether the heat is stored deep or shallow?
it also says the heat doesnt account for the recent pause
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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Models make predictions and NONE of them predicted the slowdown we are seeing.
Despite the fact that "the science is settled" and we have this 97% consensus, none of them can EXPLAIN the slowdown we are seeing.
The 97% consensus is made up too, by the way. There is no more evidence to support that than there is for the claim that the missing heat is hiding at the bottom of the deep part of the oceans.
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Old 10-06-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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From the OP's link.....

Before Argo floats were deployed, temperature measurements in the Southern Ocean were spotty, at best. Using satellite measurements and climate simulations of sea level changes around the world, the new study found the global ocean absorbed far more heat in those 35 years than previously thought -- a whopping 24 to 58 percent more than early estimates.

Does it really matter whether the heat is stored deep or shallow?
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The 97% consensus is made up too, by the way. There is no more evidence to support that than there is for the claim that the missing heat is hiding at the bottom of the deep part of the oceans.
I completely agree with you.
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Old 10-06-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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From the OP's link.....

Before Argo floats were deployed, temperature measurements in the Southern Ocean were spotty, at best. Using satellite measurements and climate simulations of sea level changes around the world, the new study found the global ocean absorbed far more heat in those 35 years than previously thought -- a whopping 24 to 58 percent more than early estimates.

Does it really matter whether the heat is stored deep or shallow?
So the simulations say.

Who programmed for the simulations?
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Old 10-06-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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it also says the heat doesn't account for the recent pause
That's why they want to find out what's going on.
That's what science IS.
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