Should welfare recipients get drug tested? (cocaine, financial, income, alcohol)
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If there is government welfare for people such as yourself who did once work and pay in, that's different than providing welfare to the completely able-bodied who are very healthy and their fertility rates show it.
Paying a 20 year old girl to not work and have babies is insane. The welfare system has encouraged the high illegitmacy rates we currently have, it's not done a thing to decrease "poverty" which in spite of huge government spending on it only keeps rising. We do have generational welfare.
As far as lottery tickets -- it is a fact that more lottery tickets are sold in the so-called impoverished neighborhoods.
The majority of able-bodied people who recieve welfare are working full time, and the average person who recieves welfare does so for less than 3 years. It's easy to believe the myth of the people living well while on welfare, or that everyone on it is not working, that they remain on it forever, or even that everyone who recieves it is abusing it, but the facts just don't agree with that.
What are your thoughts about people who are working full time, but still qualify for some forms of welfare?
If there is government welfare for people such as yourself who did once work and pay in, that's different than providing welfare to the completely able-bodied who are very healthy and their fertility rates show it.
Paying a 20 year old girl to not work and have babies is insane. The welfare system has encouraged the high illegitmacy rates we currently have, it's not done a thing to decrease "poverty" which in spite of huge government spending on it only keeps rising. We do have generational welfare.
As far as lottery tickets -- it is a fact that more lottery tickets are sold in the so-called impoverished neighborhoods.
Um, I've never heard Social Security Disability, which is what I receive, called Welfare before but OK. And, yes, folks must pay into Social Security for at least 10 years to be eligible for disability benefits. I paid in much longer than that.
I'm not totally current with info on Welfare reform but aren't the days of people languishing on the system pretty much over? My sister works for a "welfare-to-work" program that puts recipients in training programs and helps them find jobs. Most states put a very finite time limit on how long people can collect welfare benefits and a cap on the number of children for whom benefits will be paid. Having more kids now doesn't necessarily extend or increase benefits. I know that states are getting much more aggressive about making absent fathers pay child support. In many cases, the amount of child support collected offsets or supplants a welfare benefit.
I'm still incredulous that folks can even mention sterilizing the poor. That smacks of eugenics. That's scary for someone like me, as well, because even though I have a high IQ, folks who espouse this ideology would sterilize those with serious diseases and/or advocate that we should be left to die without help because illness indicates inferior genes and we are a drain on society. I certainly hope this isn't where we're going.
I have no doubt that lottery sales are brisk in low-income areas but I took issue with the person who said that people on welfare are spending $20 per day on lottery tickets. As I pointed out, they simply wouldn't have that much money. Buying lottery tickets is a desperate attempt at hope and an indication the folks want out of their situation. We should be providing job training, education, and counseling to give them real hope to effect change and get jobs.
The majority of able-bodied people who recieve welfare are working full time, and the average person who recieves welfare does so for less than 3 years. It's easy to believe the myth of the people living well while on welfare, or that everyone on it is not working, that they remain on it forever, or even that everyone who recieves it is abusing it, but the facts just don't agree with that.
What are your thoughts about people who are working full time, but still qualify for some forms of welfare?
I'd like to see the statistics on people who are working full time and getting welfare handouts.
That amounts to a subsidy for the businesses since the government is actually paying the support of their labor.
I believe for one -- 30 million illegals have been brought in to bring down wages, and the H1B visa is used to replace Americans in the workplace. I think there are big problems with a government that assists corporations in destroying the middle class.
In a normal situation there is supply and demand. To attract employees, the employers increase wages and benefits. But they've decided to make labor unlimited in supply for some reason.
Um, I've never heard Social Security Disability, which is what I receive, called Welfare before but OK. And, yes, folks must pay into Social Security for at least 10 years to be eligible for disability benefits. I paid in much longer than that.
I'm not totally current with info on Welfare reform but aren't the days of people languishing on the system pretty much over? My sister works for a "welfare-to-work" program that puts recipients in training programs and helps them find jobs. Most states put a very finite time limit on how long people can collect welfare benefits and a cap on the number of children for whom benefits will be paid. Having more kids now doesn't necessarily extend or increase benefits. I know that states are getting much more aggressive about making absent fathers pay child support. In many cases, the amount of child support collected offsets or supplants a welfare benefit.
I'm still incredulous that folks can even mention sterilizing the poor. That smacks of eugenics. That's scary for someone like me, as well, because even though I have a high IQ, folks who espouse this ideology would sterilize those with serious diseases and/or advocate that we should be left to die without help because illness indicates inferior genes and we are a drain on society. I certainly hope this isn't where we're going.
I have no doubt that lottery sales are brisk in low-income areas but I took issue with the person who said that people on welfare are spending $20 per day on lottery tickets. As I pointed out, they simply wouldn't have that much money. Buying lottery tickets is a desperate attempt at hope and an indication the folks want out of their situation. We should be providing job training, education, and counseling to give them real hope to effect change and get jobs.
I don't believe people should be encouraged to reproduce when they cannot provide for their children. For one -- they should not expect automatic increases in handouts just because they chose to give birth -- because it doesn't work that way for those who work for a living.
Disability is a bit different of a situation than someone who begins childbearing at age 17, doesn't bother finishing school and expects that the government must provide everything. A second baby brings in more food stamps, WIC and a bigger housing subsidy.
The topic of this thread is should welfare recipients get drug tested and I believe drug addicts who are unable to hold down jobs should definitely not be encouraged to reproduce. Not eugenics -- but maybe a cash incentive -- say $200 cash if they were to be sterilized. And that would apply for the male drug addicts also whose children receive government handouts.
Um, I've never heard Social Security Disability, which is what I receive, called Welfare before but OK. And, yes, folks must pay into Social Security for at least 10 years to be eligible for disability benefits. I paid in much longer than that.
Your statement above is one of the reasons I'm happy that I withdrew from Social Security years ago. Starting from day one after I withdrew, if I because disabled, I had a private policy that would / will pay me 100% of my monthly income - for life if need be. I did not have to wait to qualify.
I can never get SSI (disabiity) or ANY Social Security "benefit" including medicare.
I'd like to see the statistics on people who are working full time and getting welfare handouts.
That amounts to a subsidy for the businesses since the government is actually paying the support of their labor.
I believe for one -- 30 million illegals have been brought in to bring down wages, and the H1B visa is used to replace Americans in the workplace. I think there are big problems with a government that assists corporations in destroying the middle class.
In a normal situation there is supply and demand. To attract employees, the employers increase wages and benefits. But they've decided to make labor unlimited in supply for some reason.
You can check your own state's DHHS site for statistics concerning the recipients of welfare benefits- the links on the federal site are not working and I don't want to give any inaccurate figures. Most every state requires recipients to work at least 30 hours week if they are recieving welfare, except in cases of disability or extrenuating circumstances.
Your statement above is one of the reasons I'm happy that I withdrew from Social Security years ago. Starting from day one after I withdrew, if I because disabled, I had a private policy that would / will pay me 100% of my monthly income - for life if need be. I did not have to wait to qualify.
I can never get SSI (disabiity) or ANY Social Security "benefit" including medicare.
And, I have never been happier.
How the heck did you withdraw from social security???
How the heck did you withdraw from social security???
It is a long, VERY involved process. And, not appropriate for everyone!
But, let me simply say this - I have not paid into SS in almost 3 decades. I privately invested the same amount of money that would have gone into SS if I had stayed in. The amount that I can take out in "benefits" is in excess of what SS would have paid -
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