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View Poll Results: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?
yes 101 74.81%
no 34 25.19%
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Assuming that "welfare" is monetary assistance from government to persons, for the purpose of subsidizing their existence ...

When do we start drug testing the corporations (execs AND employees), farming and agribusinesses (execs AND employees), and any other "person" as the law currently defines as such?

And when the well-monied industries who receive government subsidies (welfare) lobby government for exemptions, the constitutional lawsuits will come. And it's a guarantee that those who now want welfare drug testing only to nab the welfare queen, will also demand tort reform.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:56 AM
 
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The vast majority of welfare money goes to feed, cloth and care for children; if their mother is addicted--they still need to eat, be fed and have day care. If their mother is on drugs, that is a complication which might mean more expensive intervention is required, but not that the family can be cut off welfare. Unless we plan to drug test all employees or all parents....it is obviously discriminatory to single out moms who depend on welfare to support their family!

If a mother is on welfare and addicted to drugs - then how is she getting money for her drugs? Most likely through selling her food stamps and WIC or having men shack up with her to help her with drugs. I don't see why the taxpayers would have to subsisize someone who has money for drugs -- because obviously -- they already have money.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:58 AM
 
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How about coffee? Are they allowed to have coffee while they're all just laying around? What if it's from Starbuck's? And pizza...are they allowed to order extra cheese with that?

I don't see why they need coffee.

I think welfare needs to be cut back to only what is essential. Basic food -- rice, beans, corn, some eggs. Something like WIC where only certain kinds of foods are specified.

Way too often we see the welfare shoppers loading up carts with ice cream, cokes, cookies, potato chips, steaks. They don't need any of that.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:01 AM
 
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What? No mandatory vasectomy for the deadbeat dads? Just the women, huh?

I would go along with that too -- if they don't want to feed 'em, then they don't need to breed 'em.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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If a mother is on welfare and addicted to drugs - then how is she getting money for her drugs? Most likely through selling her food stamps and WIC or having men shack up with her to help her with drugs. I don't see why the taxpayers would have to subsisize someone who has money for drugs -- because obviously -- they already have money.
She may well be prostituting or have a boyfrnd and she may hold his drugs.....so what are you proposing for the children? There is no way we as a society can afford to remove all those kids from their families, nor should we. We havent even discussed the different types of drugs from Pot to Heroin.

You know many of these young welfare mothers are the fetuses that we were so concerned about just 16 or 17 years ago. The culture of life, has more compassion for a zygot than a flesh and blood person. Drug addiction is a problem--lets address it. Cutting babies off welfare will not solve the drug problems in America.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:07 AM
 
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How is it that people have to watch their money to get a cell phone and I see people who use welfare cards at checkouts have the best cell phone on the market?

I have also seen a lady buy 10 pounds of hamburger and tell the clerk that she feeds this to her dogs because she cannot afford dog food.
Yes -- I see that all the time -- the best cell phones are being used by those who will pay with food stamps.

It's not just food stamps they get. They get enough food stamps for everyone in the house -- but when the kids have free breakfasts and lunches at the Head Starts and schools, they get to keep the extra -- the live-in boyfriend gets his free meals that way. And they get WIC -- not only for the kids but for the mother.

Since Head Start begins to offer the free babysitting services at age 3 -- with the free breakfasts and lunches -- that's only one meal that they food stamps cover -- yet they get enough for three meals.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:10 AM
 
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She may well be prostituting or have a boyfrnd and she may hold his drugs.....so what are you proposing for the children? There is no way we as a society can afford to remove all those kids from their families, nor should we. We havent even discussed the different types of drugs from Pot to Heroin.

You know many of these young welfare mothers are the fetuses that we were so concerned about just 16 or 17 years ago. The culture of life, has more compassion for a zygot than a flesh and blood person. Drug addiction is a problem--lets address it. Cutting babies off welfare will not solve the drug problems in America.
If she can prostitute for drug money --- then why can't she feed her own children -- maybe one extra customer for the day and she can feed her children herself.

If a mother would spend her income on drugs instead of food for her children then she is no kind of mother and the kids should be removed from her. Any real parent would buy their kids food before drugs.

This is why sterilization needs to be encouraged for the welfare class. Drug addicts who would starve their children should not be encouraged to breed.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:28 AM
 
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well, if they still do urinalysis in the military on those honest souls, who are defending their country, then they should definitely drug test the welfare recipients...never thought about it before, but think its an excellent idea, so is sterilization, and that can start in the prison system for all I care...
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Thumbs up Should welfare recipients get drug tested?

Absolutely!

Especially those who get the BIGGEST government welfare: the board of directors and CEOs of Halliburton, Carlisle Group, Bechtel Corp, Boeing, Raytheon and a handful of other corporate welfare queens.
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Old 12-31-2007, 03:28 PM
 
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Absolutely!

Especially those who get the BIGGEST government welfare: the board of directors and CEOs of Halliburton, Carlisle Group, Bechtel Corp, Boeing, Raytheon and a handful of other corporate welfare queens.
Corporate welfare...you mean allowing certain compaines to keep some of their own money that they have earned? As opposed to people who sit on their butts and just get fatter spending my hard earned money?

Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
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