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Old 10-11-2014, 01:50 PM
 
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Sounds like another Obamacare style "solution". Screw things up for the 96% of people NOT at minimum wage and end up not improving things for those who are.



That's the formula.
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Old 10-12-2014, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh so much gas would be saved by the nation doing so.
Personally I would save almost a weeks worth per month. That would be substantial as I drive 560 miles a week for work.

Spur the economy anyone?
Speaking of saving gas, why dont more employers allow employees to work from home?
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Old 10-12-2014, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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If full time is extended to 60 hours, then the regular 'workers' might start creating wealth and working as hard as CEOs and eventually making millions of dollars.

I thought only innovators, creators and intelligent minds worked that much.
Is this a joke or just ignorance?

Most upper management I've known have "worked" the least and "delegated" their work to lower and middle management.

Of course there are many "salary" workers which are not unionized and work close to 60hrs w no extra pay beyond the 40.
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Old 10-12-2014, 04:41 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If minimum wage workers aren't worth full time hours and benefits they shouldn't be screwed by corporations that limit their hours to under 30 hours.
It is "Obamacare" that has redefined "full time" as 30 hours or more.

If an employer must provide health insurance to a low skilled worker, my guess is that the cost to insure that worker is likely more than what they are paid in wages. On the other hand, if they give them the hours, and pay for their insurance, then the employee is likely earning the $15/hr (at least) that he/she is demanding. Benefits have value too, and it must be taken into account when one assesses their actual earnings.

I'll bet some of these low skilled workers on minimum wage get sick pay and vacation too. It all adds up.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:16 AM
 
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look, I'm no fan of Obama or the ACA, but what you said is nonsense. Corporations can afford to lavish their executive management teams with millions and millions of dollars, expense accounts, private jets, car service, you name the perk, they get it, but spending $ of their employees' well being is not affordable?

To attract top talent, you need to offer perks. But to attract and maintain a loyal staff - with talent, you need to think about priorities.
This is nonsense. Very few corporations do any of the things you just mentioned.
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Corporations didn't change the hours to under 30 until the Affordable Care Act passed.
wrong. Places like McDonalds and Walmart have done that for many years.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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60 hours a week? You want people to basically become slaves? Most people can't even handle 40 hours a week ...

Also this would destroy the job scene as employers would lay off half their work force. The unemployment rate would skyrocket.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Corporations didn't change the hours to under 30 until the Affordable Care Act passed.
That's not true.
Employers started eliminating full-time workers before the recession started, and the practiced greatly increased long before the Act became law.

Providing medical insurance for employees was never anything more that a way to keep employees and attract new ones as needed.

Since the turn of the century, all business med insurance has increasingly required more co-pay from the workers than the policies once did.

Turning a full time worker into a part-timer doesn't necessarily mean part-timers won't get any insurance at all; there are many highly skilled workers who were cut back, but they're still very needed by the businesses they work for.
Keeping their med insurance intact has been one way of keeping these folks from quitting and finding a job, even a part-time, with a competitor who's willing to keep their med benefits intact.

The Big Deal is denying part-timers participation in a retirement program. Those programs are the ones that end up costing the companies the most of all.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If minimum wage workers aren't worth full time hours and benefits they shouldn't be screwed by corporations that limit their hours to under 30 hours.
The issue affects many more than only the minimum wage earners.

Hourly labor was always less that salaried labor in the past. A salaried worker made more money per hour, but in return, worked more hours when called upon than the hourly labor employee. It worked out because the salaried workers were senior level workers who were promoted into jobs that lay beyond the positions of the hourly workers- they became section supervisors, moved into low or mid-level management, or became highly skilled specialists who held a critical position in some manner.

Nowadays, a business owner can drastically cut down labor costs by making everyone salaried by employee contract, and paying whatever wage will be accepted at federal minimum or above. It may be cheaper to cut one salaried section leader's pay and/or cut him back to part-time, and hire a second section leader and do the same. Or pay a select few well, and make them put in 60-70 hours a week under threat of losing their wage, benefits, or whatever by putting them into part-time.

All this stuff was going on 100 years ago, and it caused the labor rebellions that lasted for over 30 years until the Dept. of Labor formation.` Since the Dept. of Labor has had a lot of it's teeth pulled by de-regulation, it will be up to Congress to settle the problem.

The American laborer is still the most productive in the world by a wide margin. America is having it's troubles, but our economy is doing a lot better than Europe's and almost everywhere else.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Because the "Affordable Care Act" is not affordable to the corporations!

Fact is minimum wage for 30 hours a week is not enough for certain workers to feed themselves and/or family, and corporations refuse or are unable to pay higher amounts for said certain workers.


By limiting full time to 30, we are forcing these minimum wage workers to increase their commuting time and expenses.

Why kick the man while he is down?




Way back when I was minimum wage I worked two full time jobs, bettered my worth and climbed beyond.
When you have not yet achieved you have to work harder for it and then again once you do.
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