Rand Paul: GOP not reaching out to blacks the worst mistake we've made (enemy, polls)
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I do a lot of work in poor communities both urban and rural. In rural communities, drugs, lack of education and healthcare are primary problems to be addressed but yet there's no GOP politician out there saying we need to turn off the "free stuff" spigot to SSDI. Nor are they attempting to slow the funnel of federal money for prison construction, highway building, tax breaks to industry, or other forms of economic development in rural areas.
In urban communities access to jobs and affordable childcare so they can go to work are primary hindrances to moving out of poverty. Most low paying jobs are in suburban retail strips that are impossible to get to without a car. But what's the point anyway if your daycare cost more than the $9.00/hour earned working a retail job? On top of ending the War on Drugs how about Rand Paul suggest or another Republican come up with a real plan like expanding public transportation systems, and offering free daycare to help lift women out or urban poverty? Or would that be considered "free stuff" instead of tangible and immedaily effective economic development?
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
No he doesn't flat out ignore the racist past of government. That is your twisted agenda driven blindness that fails to see the truth. Only someone who relies on big government would ignore the FACT that it was big government which created Jim Crow. It was government that held down minorities and still does.
The free markets did get involved in the turn around while once again the politicians came after the fact. There were more gains in the area of jobs in professional and technical occupations by blacks the 2 years before the CRA than the 2 years after. We the people with our Civil Rights marches turned the tide not the CRA.
So segregation would have ended without passing the civil rights act? You're seriously going to go with that one?
The worst mistake the GOP made was not EMBRACING Obama in 2008 - even if some choked on him. Disagree with some policies sure, but give the guy some love. It would have gone a long way ...
And if not that, the second worst mistake was not muzzling right wing-nut rhetoric. Karl Rove got that. Rand Paul gets it.
I'm Caucasian raising an Asian teen who is about to turn 18. She and her friends (the bulk of whom are probably Asian and Latino although include AA kids and Caucasians) are planning on voting soon. Democrat.
Frankly as teens, they are too self-absorbed to grasp much about policies and have yet to take an economics course. But their VALUES have formed - one of which is inclusion and respect for multiculturalism. The intensity of the anti-Obama rhetoric is processed as bigotry - and it does NOT matter if it's "ONLY" directed at blacks.
These kids may still be pretty dumb. But their instincts are sharp - and the young tend to be pretty judgmental. Sure, my kid heard of my concern about some of GWB's policies and came home with some GWB jokes. Admittedly I chuckled. But she also heard that he was to be treated with respect as the President of the United States - and when I agreed with a specific action she heard that too. And there were no personal slurs or sarcastic remarks.
When the GOP becomes associated with those who seem to dismiss EVERYTHING about Obama (politics, personal, background) with contempt or conspiracy theories (it sure comes across that way to a kid hearing Fox news or when a parent tunes into a talk radio show while driving or when they surf the net), then the kid processes the party as being less about ideas and (fairly or not) more about exclusion. This kids of color really take personally, regardless of their economic status.
Voting preferences are formed early, and can remain remarkably stable. Sure some "liberals" become more "conservative" as they mature - but it's one thing to eventually switch parties to vote for a George Herbert Walker Bush and another entirely to switch parties to vote for *any* candidate who appears to pander to the worst instincts of the party. At some point, folks simply will NOT vote for their pocketbook over their internalized value-system. For decades, this clearly has been demonstrated for Jewish voters.
The worst mistake the GOP made was not EMBRACING Obama in 2008 - even if some choked on him. Disagree with some policies sure, but give the guy some love. It would have gone a long way ...
And if not that, the second worst mistake was not muzzling right wing-nut rhetoric. Karl Rove got that. Rand Paul gets it.
I'm Caucasian raising an Asian teen who is about to turn 18. She and her friends (the bulk of whom are probably Asian and Latino although include AA kids and Caucasians) are planning on voting soon. Democrat.
Frankly as teens, they are too self-absorbed to grasp much about policies and have yet to take an economics course. But their VALUES have formed - one of which is inclusion and respect for multiculturalism. The intensity of the anti-Obama rhetoric is processed as bigotry - and it does NOT matter if it's "ONLY" directed at blacks.
These kids may still be pretty dumb. But their instincts are sharp - and the young tend to be pretty judgmental. Sure, my kid heard of my concern about some of GWB's policies and came home with some GWB jokes. Admittedly I chuckled. But she also heard that he was to be treated with respect as the President of the United States - and when I agreed with a specific action she heard that too. And there were no personal slurs or sarcastic remarks.
When the GOP becomes associated with those who seem to dismiss EVERYTHING about Obama (politics, personal, background) with contempt or conspiracy theories (it sure comes across that way to a kid hearing Fox news or when a parent tunes into a talk radio show while driving or when they surf the net), then the kid processes the party as being less about ideas and (fairly or not) more about exclusion. This kids of color really take personally, regardless of their economic status.
Voting preferences are formed early, and can remain remarkably stable. Sure some "liberals" become more "conservative" as they mature - but it's one thing to eventually switch parties to vote for a George Herbert Walker Bush and another entirely to switch parties to vote for *any* candidate who appears to pander to the worst instincts of the party. At some point, folks simply will NOT vote for their pocketbook over their internalized value-system. For decades, this clearly has been demonstrated for Jewish voters.
I'm a minority as well, and identify as one. The GOP tries to look like a party that is trying to include Hispanics in the discussion, but the folks won't have it. We can see it in this topic. Why would I vote for a party that has a significant nativist element to it, even if they are trying to hide it? Colin Powell even said that there's a vein of intolerance in the GOP, and he got slammed for it. Lindsey Graham said the GOP isn't manufacturing enough angry white (Anglo) guys to stay in business. But the most for me is the dog-whistle language Republicans employ to talk about minorities behind their backs. I've even had direct complains directed towards me about speaking Spanish at the workplace, and another member I know was called a "race traitor" for marrying a Mexican. And you wonder why I vote Democrat. I've only voted for the GOP twice in my life, 2010 and 2012, and mostly because of Ron Paul, who turned out to be a corrupt nepotist, and his son is just as corrupt as well. I'm not going to vote Republican just because they have a few token minorities elected
The response from some of you is that "the GOP isn't handing out 'free stuff' to blacks and that's why blacks aren't voting Republican anymore."
Not only that, you back up that statement and way of thinking (which no matter how YOU want to look at it, it's still just open stereotyping) by basically saying, "well it's the truth..."
That's the gist of it. And you won't convince them otherwise, because to do so you would have to disabuse them of their innate prejudice. And as evidenced from this thread, they are perfectly happy being the bigots that they are, thank you very much.
Many blacks and other minorities have attempted to explain this to them throughout this thread, and not one of the usual C-D bigots has even pretended to hear them. Because they are, frankly, not interested in anything that doesn't encompass their narrow-minded bigotry.
So be it. In a few years, when minorities become a force to be reckoned with in the voting booth, they will wring their hands and profess total bewilderment why they won't vote Republican. This thread should be preserved for that day. It will answer the question succinctly.
See the post directly below this one for exhibit A of a proud C-D bigot.
Last edited by HeyJude514; 10-14-2014 at 02:29 PM..
Regardless of what the white nationalist platform teaches, there isn't a human alive today that is in any way subhuman. This opinion is more about bigoted perceptions then factual data...
The real, actual racists are a tiny minority, and frowned upon by almost anyone under the age of 70.
As to complainers about Spanish speakers, they're a minority here in Texas at least. It's practically the official second language here, and we have several GOP politicians who are bilingual and/or Hispanic (George P Bush is apparently a new rising star, look him up). We have lots of conservative Hispanics. I wish we taught Spanish in preschool and elementary, but alas I think they only do for private, not public school.
Texas is something of an anomaly. That's why when leftists say/hope it turns blue in the next several years, I just laugh.
So the truth is bigotry now? Many minorities and many whites like the socialism that the Democrat party advocates for. How can one deny that with a straight face and then call the facts bigotry?
Not pandering to blacks and other minority groups is one thing the GOP has going for it in my book.
Don't see how its intelligent to pander only to angry white supremacists considering the country is becoming more racially diverse. The jackboots who think people should only be judged by the color of their skin are thankfully dying out.
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