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Old 10-30-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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She won't comply. She has no reason to.

Here is another story closer to home. A Nurse.

Margaret Sanger was a leader in women's sexual and contraceptive education and advocacy at a time in America when the Comstock Act determined any information about birth control and contraceptives themselves obscene and immoral -- and therefore illegal in the eyes of the federal government.

Sanger grew up in an Irish-Catholic family, one of 11 children, and blamed her mother's death on the toll 18 pregnancies had taken on her body (Sanger's mother ultimately died of tuberculosis). Inspired by this, Sanger left home, attended nursing school and began working as a visiting nurse on the Lower East Side in New York City. During this time, she saw first-hand the toll of unwanted pregnancies on immigrant women and their families, including botched back-alley and self-attempted abortions and the sickness, infection and death that followed.

In Brooklyn in 1916, Sanger opened the first American birth control clinic -- illegally -- which gave women education on reproductive health and information on using contraceptive devices. The clinic was raided nine days after it opened its doors. A few years later, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League -- which in 1942 would become the Planned Parenthood Foundation -- as well as the Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau, an organization that not only offered birth control, but also tracked its safety and effectiveness.
Sanger was also instrumental in leading the development of oral contraception, also known as "the pill." The first oral contraceptive gained FDA approval in 1960, just six years before Sanger's death.
Margaret Sanger was a eugenist that thought black people were inferior. I wouldn't be holding her up as a paragon of nursing virtue if I were you.

Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sanger's writings echoed ideas about inferiority and loose morals of particular races that were widespread in the contemporary United States.[94] In one "What Every Girl Should Know" commentary, she observed that Aboriginal Australians were "just a step higher than the chimpanzee" with "little sexual control," as compared to the "normal man and Woman."[95] Elsewhere she bemoaned that traditional sexual ethics "... have in the past revealed their woeful inability to prevent the sexual and racial chaos into which the world has today drifted."[96]
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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How come cops only shoot non nurses?
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Did he? Do you have that link?
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When Dr. Brantly first started feeling under the weather and displayed the early symptoms with a fever of 100 degrees, he immediately isolated himself. Though he tested negative for Ebola twice, he waited to ensure the safety of those around him. The third test came back positive.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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since the doctors are heros all ebola doctors shall go get their flights re directed to washington DC first to meet the president and get a medal of honor for their work.
no stops along the way just washington DC white house.

you will be escorted to the WH and the pentagon to meet everyone.
and shall also visit the federal reserve as they all say thank you.

you would have the luxury of staying with the president for 21 days and Michelle Obama and the president's daughters for many days of fun fun fun.
to keep the president safe we shall quarantine you doctors and the president from the public.

our great leader would let your families join us.
in the case of if someone catches ebola we shall all have to end the vacation and have everyone involved be quarantined legitimately for an extra 21 days.

is that alright?
lets see?
why so serious ebola cannot spread unless you are symptomatic right?
so lets do it
How would the president play golf?
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Did he? Do you have that link?
See post # 2549.

One link says he tested positive for Ebola on the second test. The other says he tested positive on the third test.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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She would lose in court. It's a public safety issue, so to ask her to isolate herself until after the incubation period was not an unreasonable request.

At the same time, if any of us were forced to stay home from work, and forgo our paycheck, we might fall very behind on our bills, and suffer for it. So if a state is going to guarantee someone against their will, should there be some type of protections so we don't get punished by our creditors, land lords, or lose our jobs or suffer business loses, etc...
I don't know that she would lose. It is a public safety issue. But the position that argues that she be quarantined has to make the case that she poses a risk to the point that she must be confined against her will. And I'm not sure the state can make that case. The evidence that she doesn't pose a risk is the hundreds and hundreds of healthcare workers that have been returning to their home countries after volunteering in the affected countries, who have followed WHO guidelines, and who have not infected a single person in the months that this outbreak has been going on. NOT A SINGLE CASE. Nurse Hickox is following those guidelines.

Right now, with only a few days until an election, the politicians in Maine may try to impose a quarantine, because these quarantines are political, not medical, and the public fear of Ebola is a political issue.

But when the courts weigh in on this issue, it will probably be AFTER the election, and cooler heads will be asked to evaluate the risks of returning healthcare workers. Those heads won't be able to ignore the history of returning healthcare workers during this outbreak. It's the fear-mongerers amongst us that are ignoring this history. And, I'm sorry, but I think a lot of the fear-mongering is political in nature.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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There is no such place as Ebolaland. And if you are talking about the affected countries, please be aware that 99% of the people living in those places are not infected with Ebola. Total population equals 100%. 99% are Ebola-free.

The United States does not impose a mandatory quarantine after traveling to the affected nations. And evidently, New Jersey's 21-day quarantine is simply political blather, because they let Nurse Hickox go after 2 days.
Wow are you smart. What you meant to say was Obama won't allow a mandatory quarantine to be put in place. Chritie let her go because she left Jersey and became Maine's problem.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The odds favor that Hickox did not contract Ebola, given the NY MD was the first of more than 700 DwB healthcare workers throughout the world, to become sick, after returning home.

15 days elapsed between Duncan's point of contact with the pregnant girl in Liberia and confirmation of his Ebola diagnosis in Dallas at which point, he was acutely ill. He had contact with hundreds-thousands of people in 4 different airports, 3 flights, 2 layovers, the Dallas apartment, his first ER visit, the ambulance ride on his second and final ER visit.

Dozens of subsequent caregivers transported him to ICU and cared for him in the ICU, including performing intubation and catheterization as well as removal of his voluminous waste. All were instructed to self monitor and they did. They were not quarantined or isolated. Some chose to sleep at the hospital and some did not. Two of Duncan's caregivers acquired the virus. None of the people who had casual or medical contact with the 2 nurses became sick.

Yet, there will always be people who are worried about catching Ebola from a casual cough, on the street.

Why didn't NJ put all those who came into contact with nurse Hickox into a 21 day bubble quarantine?


I can appreciate the need to mitigate media induced public panic.
At the expense of their personal liberties and the risk of volunteerism in Africa leading to much more wide-spread disease? There should be more preferable ways to mitigate media induced public panic. How about some responsibility on the part of news outlets?
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Margaret Sanger was a eugenist that thought black people were inferior. I wouldn't be holding her up as a paragon of nursing virtue if I were you.

Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
WE all have faults. You want perfection? She was a leader in challenging laws and in this context of this thread that is what she did. Let's stay on point....shall we?
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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WE all have faults. You want perfection? She was a leader in challenging laws and in this context of this thread that is what she did. Let's stay on point....shall we?
I hear Hitler was kind to dogs.
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