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We know that the CDC and TeamObama SAY they can "contain Ebola", but then we WATCH what they do. The CDC gave permission to a Nurse on a Watch List (2 days after another Nurse tested positive) to fly on a Commercial Airline Flight - after she told them she had a low grade fever. Turns out that the bureaucracy decided her fever just wasn't high enough ...... "Go take your trip and have a good time". Turns out that wasn't very "successful" as she was tested Positive for Ebola as soon as she returned from Ohio. Of course, they had to send her test off to Austin to get the results .... but that just part of the Red Tape of "contain".
On the UP side - it's a news headline that Obama has decided to cancel his travel to yet more Fund Raisers, so he can show off his "Leadership".
Here's Obama's leadership in action, now he has transitioned from "an ebola outbreak in the United States is extremely low" to now he is "absolutely confident that we can prevent a serious outbreak of the disease here in the United States." OMG, we are saved, "so let it be written, so let it be done."
ITA! All I could think was WTF was she doing on a plane? SERIOUSLY??? She's a nurse. You'd think she'd have the common sense to not board a plane until the incubation period was over.
Yet another example of the me first attitude of our culture. Who cares if I might be carrying the plague. I want to go on my trip. If anyone else dies, she should be tried for murder. Seriously. How does a nurse not know that getting on a plane is a bad idea when you might be carrying a virus? And what's with the hospital not quarantining her? Or the CDC? So many failures here.
Denial is one of the most primitive defense mechanism in all humans.
We arent to the mark yet, BUT before we all go totaly freaked out, lets all remember that the people who were living with Thomas Eric Duncan have not gotten sick yet.
healthcare workers who were not protected correctly... whom both Presby Dallas and the CDC failed miserably have gotten sick.... but the people who would have been in very close casual contact with him.... and who lived in the appartment with his infected bedding etc, have not gotten sick.
it isnt panic time yet... but boy it sure is freaking living here in Dallas!
That statement is so dishonest and ridiculous, of course people from those countries can fly to the USA, even the CDC has said we get about 150 people a day from West African nations.
Buy a ticket, fly to the USA, it happens every single day. A stop over to refuel in Europe does not mean that people on the plane no longer originated in one of the infected West African countries.
It's not a stop-over to refuel. There are no flights from the affected countries to the United States. People have to fly to a different country, transfer to another plane and likely via a different airline. And we get roughly 150 people a day from the affected nations. Let's just say from August, though the outbreak started earlier than that, that's....how many people? 77 days times 150 people...11550 people. ONE had Ebola. ONE out of 11550 people. Increased scrutiny for such a dangerous disease seems like a logical, knowledge-based, and appropriate precaution. Barring everyone from those countries, where LESS THAN 1% of the population has been infected, seems like panic and over-reaction.
Last edited by DC at the Ridge; 10-16-2014 at 10:28 AM..
It's not a stop-over to refuel. There are no flights from the effected countries to the United States. People have to fly to a different country, transfer to another plane and likely via a different airline. And we get roughly 150 people a day from the affected nations. Let's just say from August, though the outbreak started earlier than that, that's....how many people? 77 days times 150 people...11550 people. ONE had Ebola. ONE out of 11550 people. Increased scrutiny for such a dangerous disease seems like a logical, knowledge-based, and appropriate precaution. Barring everyone from those countries, where LESS THAN 1% of the population has been infected, seems like panic and over-reaction.
im one of the few in the middle. Duncans family isnt sick and that is a big deal in keeping me in the middle.... but your "1" argument has holes.
first, that 1 person according to the CDC came in contact with 70 civilians (again on your side, none of those people are sick)
and then there was somewhere in the neighborhood of what 25-30 medical workers? two of whom have become infected....
ONE of those two got on an airplane WITH A FEVER FROM EBOLA....
poof 100+ people have been in contact with that ONE....
Now based on the previous infection and the 70 that came in contact, I really think no one will get sick that was in contact with the second nurse who flew with fever... BUT
im one of the few in the middle. Duncans family isnt sick and that is a big deal in keeping me in the middle.... but your "1" argument has holes.
first, that 1 person according to the CDC came in contact with 70 civilians (again on your side, none of those people are sick)
and then there was somewhere in the neighborhood of what 25-30 medical workers? two of whom have become infected....
ONE of those two got on an airplane WITH A FEVER FROM EBOLA....
poof 100+ people have been in contact with that ONE....
Now based on the previous infection and the 70 that came in contact, I really think no one will get sick that was in contact with the second nurse who flew with fever... BUT
1.... just 1 is all it takes.
Just 1 is all it takes....for what? For people to panic?
The Ebola virus can be contained in the United States. It's unsettling that mistakes were made. But it's not all bad. The Ebola virus is scary and deadly. But it's not airborne, it's not the flu. One day, we'll have another deadly flu like the 1918 bug. And we'll be better prepared for it because we are learning right now what the shortcomings are with our medical community. Viruses will always be with us, some of them deadly. And people will die. The challenge is to prevent as many deaths as possible. Right now, for Ebola, the crisis is in West Africa. The crisis isn't in the United States, because we can contain Ebola here. The crisis is in West Africa. And that's where we need to expend resources.
It's FEAR. The anger is rooted in their FEAR. And Ebola is a scary virus. Fear is a healthy and appropriate response. As long as the fear doesn't outweigh logic and knowledge. Many people are advocating actions that aren't based on logic and knowledge. Less than 1% of the populations in the most seriously affected nations have been infected. LESS THAN ONE PERCENT. You don't turn entire nationalities into pariahs because LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of their populations have been infected with a dangerous virus. You focus on helping them, not hurting them. You focus on finding a cure for the virus, finding a treatment, putting resources where they are needed.
The United States has the resources. The first case has shown us our shortcomings. We know that we already know how to contain infected patients, because we've done it successfully. Now we know that we didn't get that information out to the entire medical community, and that all hospitals, even large regional hospitals, have challenges in establishing protocols and providing equipment to their personnel. That's something we can deal with. We can contain Ebola. Right now, panic and fear pose a greater threat.
They say there could be up to 1.4 million infected by Jan 20th due to under reporting of Ebola.This is the CDC's number.
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