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Old 10-15-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Appently you never read the bill giving Bush permission.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between permission to and being ordered to.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why didn't the DEM CONTROLLED Senate kill the bill?

The Senate Majority Leader, a dem, CO-SPONSORED the bill as well as the dem House leader.

As we have seen with Ole' harry he can kill ANY bill he wants to.

I am glad to see that you support a leader who violated the treaty he signed, not being held accountable.
The bill gave permission to invade.

I'm sad to see you don't understand the difference between permission to and mandate to and completely miss the point that after the 9/11 attacks, focusing on finding/eliminating our attackers would likely have been much ebtter use of our resources than invading/occupying a country that did nothing to us.
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Attacking terrorists where they live is not the same as a full scale invasion/occupation of a country that did nothing to us. Surely if we KNEW where these alleged terror training camps were being conducted in Iraq they could have been attacked without an invasion/occupation using air strikes, cruise missiles, etc.

As it is, with al Qaeda KNOWN to have been operating in more than 40 countries at the time and there being little evidence that Iraq contained a large portion if any of its activities, a full scale invasion/occupation hardly seems a wise or effective choice of action.
So do we wait for ISIS to attack us at home or take them out now? Bombing campaign Is not stopping them.
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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So do we wait for ISIS to attack us at home or take them out now? Bombing campaign Is not stopping them.
Dear Lord, "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" has clawed its way out of the grave and lurched into the thread.
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Dear Lord, "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" has clawed its way out of the grave and lurched into the thread.
SO has pre 911 mentality
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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I'm not going to read all the replies. There is no "bombshell" here. No one ever argued Saddam never had chemical weapons. We know he did, we gave them to him when he was on our side. The truth is, he never was not on our side.

What did Iraq do to us?
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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Apparently you don't understand the difference between permission to and being ordered to.
Those who gave permission argued for years that it should be done.

Why?
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: PA
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WMD is a problematic term. You can buy a brick of 5000 rounds of .22 lr for less than a thousand dollars, which would seem to qualify as WMD, but can you shoot 5000 souls with it? No, you will probably be shot yourself after the first.

But we are stuck with this terminology from our friends at the NYT, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, etc. They are so much more sophisticated than us, and they write the rules.

Actually no because first.. since your a bad guy and want to kill 5000 souls... just go to gun free zone and I am sure nobody will be shooting you for some time.

You might get off a few hundred.. until the cops show up with GUNS to kill you.

But hey dont we all feel safe in that gun free zone.
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Can't rep you - but you are on the money.

The public wanted war (84%). Congress knew it and they voted to approve the war.

The larger issue is why they were ordered to secrecy... and why others were sent to deal with the weapons and suffered harm.

The public, he said, was misled for a decade. “I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” he said. “There were plenty.”
One possible reason why the secrecy, might be if you find some buried munitions with mustard gas you do not want to advertise it, and have terroists finding more of them and turning them into IEDs. That is just a wild guess.
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Those who gave permission argued for years that it should be done.

Why?
Ask them, it made no sense to me.
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