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Old 10-23-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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Funny! Today I filled up for $2.75 a gallon. Meanwhile that well known, conservative bastion of the country, California, with the highest combined gas taxes and the most expensive, artisan gas in the country is getting ready to increase the existing taxes measurably.
This made me chuckle.
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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"Actually, they shouldn't be allowed to fall if they are falling (I believe this is seasonal. They fell at this time of year in each of the last three years.). Why? Because Americans won't conserve unless you hit them in the pocketbook. I'd be all for raising gas taxes and using the money for mass transit and research into alternative fuel vehicles. Of course that's not what would happen with the money. That's what they'd SAY to get the tax hike through then they'd use if for whatever they wanted to use it for.

The truth is Americans only buy high fuel mileage and alternative fuel vehicles when gas prices are high. If these are products we want to support, we need gas prices to stay high. Otherwise it's too cheap to drive an old clunker that gets 12 MPG. We need it to go just high enough to encourage people to conserve, car pool, use mass transit and consider high mileage and alternative fuel vehicles when they purchase a car." Comment by Ivorytickler

No government should not raise everyone's commute cost artificially to blow the money on mass transit, or alternative fuel. Let the market handle alternative fuel vehicles. it will always do a better job than the government. Mass transit should be handled by private companies, or a metro area, not the federal government.

Most people like to save money on gas, including me. To do that plenty of people buy a subcompact car that gets great gas mileage, even when gas prices are the way they are now. Transportation is all about economics, whatever is the cheapest most efficient way to get from A to B. Where I live that would be by car, for someone in Center City Philadelphia it would probably be SEPTA, or on foot.
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Obama has nothing to do with it. Market forces have everything to do with it, including fracking.

As for "low prices," gasoline is still over $3.00/gal. I don't call that, "low." It is an improvement.

Hey, if Obama is so great, tell him to get us BACK to $1.70 a gallon and then we'll talk. Until then, he's the worst. Open markets are everything to every market. Especially oil. I don't see that guy giving the same "credit" to Obama when it hit $4 a gallon?

Also, expect a quick uptick the day after the election...just guessing but......
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The way I see it, if you're going to blame the president for high gas prices, then you might as well give him props for them dropping.
No, because he is responsible for them being high in the first place, since he has done everything in his power to restrict energy production in this country.

Obama deserves no accolades, because market forces have caused them to drop a bit. It is the result of nothing he has done. If he had his way, this wouldn't be happening.
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(Even though the President of the United States has NOTHING to do with gas prices, regardles..)
Absolutely false. Does the President not set energy policy? He certainly does. He either can restrict drilling and exploration on "public lands," or allow it. Whatever he does in that regard affects prices at the pump.

There are also other actions that the President takes that affect energy prices. Don't be naïve.
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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^^^^Spot-on as usual, to which you can add his massive increases in ethanol subsidies on top of the newest round of pointless CAFE standards which will devastate the Detroit Three who make the majority of their profits on pickups and SUVs as opposed to loss-leading Obamamobiles like the Cobalt.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No, because he is responsible for them being high in the first place, since he has done everything in his power to restrict energy production in this country.

Obama deserves no accolades, because market forces have caused them to drop a bit. It is the result of nothing he has done. If he had his way, this wouldn't be happening.
Except that gasoline prices were never particularly high during Obama's terms.

It's somewhat laughable to accuse Mr. Obama of restricting energy production when energy production has dramatically increased under Obama.

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Absolutely false. Does the President not set energy policy? He certainly does. He either can restrict drilling and exploration on "public lands," or allow it. Whatever he does in that regard affects prices at the pump.

There are also other actions that the President takes that affect energy prices. Don't be naïve.
Gasoline prices are down because worldwide oil prices are down. Sorry, but whatever this "public lands" non-issue you mention doesn't have anything to do with worldwide oil prices or has stopped U.S. oil production to increase.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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^^^^Spot-on as usual, to which you can add his massive increases in ethanol subsidies on top of the newest round of pointless CAFE standards which will devastate the Detroit Three who make the majority of their profits on pickups and SUVs as opposed to loss-leading Obamamobiles like the Cobalt.
CAFE standards have resulted in a decrease in demand for gasoline. It's a backward idea that the only way our domestic automobile manufacturers can make money is by marketing gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks. Somehow, Hyundai, who manufactures its cars in Alabama is able to make a profit making efficient vehicles.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:41 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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No, because he is responsible for them being high in the first place, since he has done everything in his power to restrict energy production in this country.

Obama deserves no accolades, because market forces have caused them to drop a bit. It is the result of nothing he has done. If he had his way, this wouldn't be happening.


Absolutely false. Does the President not set energy policy? He certainly does. He either can restrict drilling and exploration on "public lands," or allow it. Whatever he does in that regard affects prices at the pump.

There are also other actions that the President takes that affect energy prices. Don't be naïve.
Someone already pointed out what was wrong in your post, but allow me to add a question...

Did YOU (not an entire group, JUST YOU) blame Bush when gas prices rose to $4 a gal.? Just asking. Because it seems like people are just ignoring that.

If you've noticed, it's not just gas prices here in America that are droping. It's all over the world, so clearly, this isn't just a domestic thing.

Unless of course you want to blame Obama for the previous rising gas prices all over the world, as well...
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