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Old 01-02-2008, 03:56 PM
 
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Well, all the high schools I am familiar with have it, so maybe we're in agreement. I do think our ed system is preferable. The Europeans, OTOH, seem to have a better handle on health care.

I don't see High Schools that give vocational education to those who don't go to college. How else would places like Apex Technical school make money? Sarcasm aside, we don't truly have an apprenticeship system. That is a caveot for our society.
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Old 01-02-2008, 04:12 PM
 
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Europe may have less material things not because they can't have them, but because they value other things more.
i agree this may be. there aren't many societies that consume as much as we in the USA do. or produce as much garbage (literally; waste, pollution, etc.). per capita, especially.

and i don't discount socialism, or something like it. for me, i am just interested in what might improve american living standards and american impact on global living standards (as a negative impact on them can turn into a negative impact on us, it seems to me). so i wonder what tax system, form of government, and candidate for USA presidency might work best for people in this context.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't see High Schools that give vocational education to those who don't go to college. How else would places like Apex Technical school make money? Sarcasm aside, we don't truly have an apprenticeship system. That is a caveot for our society.
In the Boulder Valley School District in Colorado, any high school student at any of the 8 or so high schools can take vocational courses at the Vo-Tech center. Some of these kids also go on to college. They offer automotive technology, construction technology, cosmetology, nurses assistant and others. Generally one goes to regular hs 1/2 day, and vo-tech 1/2 day.
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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That's a pretty distorted view of Jesus.
It's a simplistic view, but not distorted.

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I'm not sure how a map of American Expatriots is proof of much of anything. There is also quite a number of impediments for Americans to work abroad. I'm counted as a resident citizen in the US, but would definitely be living somewhere else if those impediments weren't in place.
Look again...the map showed the country of origin for US citizens. In other words, where people emigrated FROM to get to the US.

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Canada. The US falls to #8 per capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_new_cit_percap-immigration-new-citizenships-per-capita - broken link) and #12 by GNP.
Wow, great distortion of the facts. How about US is #1 in total numbers...like, more than 4 times the amount of second place Canada.

Or do statistics only count if they agree with you?

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That's good to know since your facts were wrong. See links above.
I did look again, just to make sure I had it right. And I did. Until you can learn a little reading comprehension and get better and stat slinging, I'm done with you.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:25 PM
 
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Wow, great distortion of the facts. How about US is #1 in total numbers...like, more than 4 times the amount of second place Canada.
didn't look closely at what you're talking about, but judging from what typed here, per capita may be the key here?
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:42 PM
 
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Well, all the high schools I am familiar with have it, so maybe we're in agreement. I do think our ed system is preferable. The Europeans, OTOH, seem to have a better handle on health care.
Better handle on it? As in, they offer it for free? Have you ever been to a European doctor? Do you think there's a reason that when someone is really sick in England or Canada, they come to America?

Our health system is not perfect, but its lightyears ahead of any socialized medicine scheme. Well, at least until Hillary/Obama/Edwards is elected. I wonder where Americans will run to when we need better care, considering America is already where everyone else already runs to.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:36 PM
 
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The Europeans have longer life expectancy (in general), and lower infant mortality (ditto). Those are good measures of the quality of health care. We have great health care for those who can afford it or have it provided for them via insurance, but we have too many uninsured. We need to work on that.
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:46 AM
 
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You can label it all you want. I actually red Marx, and they don't resemble Marx vision.

The important part is that they have a BETTER way of life than we do in all benchmarks worth measuring.
Do you want the United States to become a totally socialistic country?

For that is what your postS are suggesting -
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:55 AM
 
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I wonder where Americans will run to when we need better care, considering America is already where everyone else already runs to.
Probably Mexico. Likely India, Thailand, Singapore, and Malaysia as well. That's where 150,000 Americans per year already go to get quality medical care at prices they can actually afford. You've even got stateside hospitals opening branches south of the border to try to recapture some of their dwindling market share...
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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It's a simplistic view, but not distorted.
I'm pretty sure Jesus did not think in terms of "I got mine" which is how you portrayed his postions.

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Wow, great distortion of the facts. How about US is #1 in total numbers...like, more than 4 times the amount of second place Canada. Or do statistics only count if they agree with you?
We're a lot bigger than other countries. We have a larger population. It's like comparing the state of California with the state of Delaware and expecting them to compete in real numbers.

Comparing by GNP and per capita is just as valid a way of seeing the data. And 2 out of 3 says your bravado is misplaced.
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