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Old 01-03-2008, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Sag - Kenya is a purely capitalistic country.
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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as for yeledaf, you want to expand on that last quip of yours?
Of course. Since the same kind of reasoning is at work among their respective proponents, the increase or decrease in the standard of living should reflect the degree of success that the Kyoto Accords has had.
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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That's sort of ducking the issue. At the federal level at least, there isn't a great deal of connection between expenditure and revenue. Suppose that whatever the mix af agreed upon expenditures was, it would require $2.5 trillion in revenues to balance the budget for the coming year? How would you suggest that such a sum be collected?
What do we want included in the budget?

Before you determine expenditures, you must first determine what you want to spend money on
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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That's sort of ducking the issue completely. Are you saying that there are no non-totally socialistic nations in the world? ...
Nope

Nor do I want to add more socialistic programs in the United States

Do you?
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:06 PM
 
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Of course. Since the same kind of reasoning is at work among their respective proponents, the increase or decrease in the standard of living should reflect the degree of success that the Kyoto Accords has had.
and what reasoning, in particular, are you talking about?

btw, the kyoto protocol has had little time to have any "effect", right?
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:20 PM
 
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What do we want included in the budget?

Before you determine expenditures, you must first determine what you want to spend money on
education? health care? infrastructure? paying the salaries of people with expertise in things affecting government, history, societies, local affairs, and world affairs to help us orchestrate some of the standards of our livelihoods? perhaps SOME means of defending ourselves (whether that's better projecting ourselves on a world stage, or whatever people find sensible) and keeping some eye on what we might have to defend ourselves against?
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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Sag - Kenya is a purely capitalistic country.
Yes, I can see that. Rather than tending toward being totally socialistic, Kenya has relied upon endemic corruption, low investor confidence, meager donor support, and poltical in-fighting to make its way. Hence, the unemployment rate is a scant 40%, and as many as 50% of the population live above the poverty line...
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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What do we want included in the budget? Before you determine expenditures, you must first determine what you want to spend money on
Only national defense. The total comes to $2.5 trillion. How are you going to raise it?
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
 
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Only national defense. The total comes to $2.5 trillion. How are you going to raise it?
i can guess some will say no need to raise it, just don't spend it...
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Only national defense. The total comes to $2.5 trillion. How are you going to raise it?
Then, if that is the ONLY thing you want in the budget, we can focus on which tax plan is best

Personally, I opt for the flat tax with the first 25K of income tax free.

Second choice is a NST with no tax on food, clothing or shelter
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