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Old 10-20-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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The Democrats didn't have to pander. The Republicans actively drove them away, and all the Democarts had to do was acknowledge that they exist.

Thanks, Oldglory. You did a lot of heavy lifting for the Democratic party.
If the Democrats opposed amnesty you can bet your bottom dollar that Hispanics would call them racists just like they do to the GOP for being anti-amnesty. So yes, the Democrats are pandering. How did the GOP actively drive them away? Based on what? Me opposing amnesty for illegal aliens is a bad thing? Why do Hispanics think their ethnic group should be above our immigration law and why are they actively blackmailing our politicians on this issue? They threatened not to vote for Obama the last time around because he didn't produce the amnesty he promised.

 
Old 10-20-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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You mean, Ann "I have an adams apple" Coulter?

Progressive is as Progressive does.
So, Ann doesn't want to "use" the Mexicans. They cannot vote... yet.

The Texas Hispanic Republican caucus, is bigger than the White Boy Republican caucus...
Those guys & gals, are voting Americans.


You are confusing them with facts.
 
Old 10-20-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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But she's right pandering to groups is cheesy politics....They have a platform and that speaks for itself.
Making false promises for votes is a democratic liberal specialty....Equal opportunity,equal rights and equal treatment means equal treatment.....Simple enough....No reason for republicans to swim in the cesspool that democrats favor...Promising everything and delivering nothing only lasts so long....

IMO Republican politics is CHEEZEY.
 
Old 10-20-2014, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I don't think the GOP is necessarily hostile to minorities...they just don't go out of their way to help them. IMO the real issue with the GOP isn't a policy of actively excluding the ideas of minorities...they are just apathetic to the issues of the non-monied class. Now...the correlation is obviously evident because minorities tend to be poorer but I don't think the correlation is enough evidence to claim causation.
And they tend to go out of their way to disenfranchise them... To most this equals hostility...
 
Old 10-20-2014, 10:54 PM
 
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And they tend to go out of their way to disenfranchise them... To most this equals hostility...
Uh; please check your history there: It was the Repubs that helped Black people really start breaking free of Jim Crow after WW 2. Eisenhauer was POTUS when Ms Parks said "enough is enough" in 1956 down in Alabama.
 
Old 10-21-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Nebraska (via Tri-Cities TN/VA)
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And they tend to go out of their way to disenfranchise them... To most this equals hostility...
How do you figure? I'm sorry but I just don't buy this active disenfranchisement arguement. It has little merit and even less evidence to support the claim other than conjecture.

I'm not sure but I'm going to assume you are referencing voter ID laws? I don't agree with the laws themselves but who can't get an ID these days? It's easy. Assuming you are a legal citizen it's literally a 30 minute process...even if you don't have a residence. In my state all that you need to vote is an ID card from the state. They are only like 5 or 10 dollars and you don't even have to have a residence to have one. All that you have to update is a local shelter that you visit and that can be substituted as proof of residence because the card only acts as ID...not a drivers license.

Obviously this requires a little bit of planning and some time to prepare, but to me the laws maybe seem to disenfranchise lazy people. They don't specifically hone in on any specific demographic. If you want to vote...you can. You just have to make it happen.
 
Old 10-21-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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How do you figure? I'm sorry but I just don't buy this active disenfranchisement arguement. It has little merit and even less evidence to support the claim other than conjecture.

I'm not sure but I'm going to assume you are referencing voter ID laws? I don't agree with the laws themselves but who can't get an ID these days? It's easy. Assuming you are a legal citizen it's literally a 30 minute process...even if you don't have a residence. In my state all that you need to vote is an ID card from the state. They are only like 5 or 10 dollars and you don't even have to have a residence to have one. All that you have to update is a local shelter that you visit and that can be substituted as proof of residence because the card only acts as ID...not a drivers license.

Obviously this requires a little bit of planning and some time to prepare, but to me the laws maybe seem to disenfranchise lazy people. They don't specifically hone in on any specific demographic. If you want to vote...you can. You just have to make it happen.
Lazy people aren't really the issue here. The people that have been affected the most are the homeless, disabled, and elderly. Even though 5 to 10 dollars to you and I might be considered a small amount of money; it is a fact that any amount of money that has to be paid to vote is considered a poll tax. Conservatives have tried this once before and now this is a new age round two...

Honestly I don't really mind having to show ID to vote. But this ID should be standardized, given free of charge to everyone, and involve no hassle... And you know what? We're not there yet...
 
Old 10-21-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Nebraska (via Tri-Cities TN/VA)
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Lazy people aren't really the issue here. The people that have been affected the most are the homeless, disabled, and elderly. Even though 5 to 10 dollars to you and I might be considered a small amount of money; it is a fact that any amount of money that has to be paid to vote is considered a poll tax. Conservatives have tried this once before and now this is a new age round two...

Honestly I don't really mind having to show ID to vote. But this ID should be standardized, given free of charge to everyone, and involve no hassle... And you know what? We're not there yet...
This I agree with 100%. It should be easier to get an ID...and it should be free. If the state/electoral commission requires it...it shouldn't cost anything to obtain.
 
Old 10-21-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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This I agree with 100%. It should be easier to get an ID...and it should be free. If the state/electoral commission requires it...it shouldn't cost anything to obtain.
'

That's why in Texas you can get a FREE Election Identification Card:
TxDPS - Election Identification Certificate (EIC)
 
Old 10-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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That's why in Texas you can get a FREE Election Identification Card:
TxDPS - Election Identification Certificate (EIC)
Perhaps they should try this in every state. I don't think a person should be paying to vote.
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