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Zygote's are not what is aborted. A Zygote is what is created in the first roughly 4 days after fertilization. Now granted many are against the interference at this point but if this was the extent of abortion the argument would not be what it is.
The OP isn't the only one wanting to be misleading.
No, I honestly wasn't trying to be misleading, I was trying to be clear, but I couldn't think of a better word. A microscopic photograph says it much more clearly.
What I was talking about is that a human fetus (better?), throughout the first term... the traditional period for allowing elective abortions, as affirmed in Roe v Wade... is not viable as an individual, and therefore is not a person. It is instead the possibility of a person, just as the acorn is the possibility of an oak tree, and the egg is the possibility of a chicken, but nobody confuses the two.
In other words, throughout the first trimester a fetus is a part of the mother's body, distinct but indivisible, and incapable of living if the mother dies or if it is removed from the mother. And since many spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriages) occur during the period, it should be obvious that though we can and do mourn the loss of a possibility, we do not treat them, culturally or legally, as the deaths of individuals, because they are not. And that is a simple biological fact.
People who have religious or moral views in conflict with this natural fact simply must accept that their belief, no matter how deeply held, does not apply and cannot rule to everyone in our diverse culture.
Where are all of the pro-life politicians who are always proposing legislation to beef up regulations on abortion clinics? Why aren't they introducing legislation to crack down on other types of outpatient clinics where there is the potential for something to go wrong?
Outpatient clinics or office settings are generally not regulated in
the same way as hospitals are, and the requirements can vary
widely by state.
Freestanding clinics are often not equipped to handle complications in the same
way that hospitals are. When Rivers went into cardiac arrest, the clinic had to
call an ambulance to transport her to a hospital for care, rather than having
the necessary emergency medical equipment and specialists on site.
Additionally, in outpatient settings, anesthesia is not always administered by a
board-certified anesthesiologist. Though modern anesthesia is safer and
faster-acting than it was in the past, complications are still a risk, as
evidenced by Rivers’ experience.
Where is the legislation requiring that the necessary emergency medical equipment and specialists be present at each and every outpatient clinic, instead of just abortion clinics?
Hmmmm?
Looks like pro-life politicians are only pro-fetal life......other life.....not so much.
This makes no sense at all. Any Doctor of Medicine knows how to perform a safe abortion, and abortion is an ancient medical procedure.
Eliminating doctors only allows the incompetent to perform them. And that's when the hemorrhaging, infection and death begins. Allowing qualified people to conduct legal abortions leaves the decision up to the individual woman without needing to be a deadly decision for them.
Bent, how do you know abortion has less regulation and oversight than other procedures? (It's not a medical field of it's own, by the way.) Show me some statistics, please.
If emergency rooms are getting abortion patients, it's because the abortions weren't performed by licensed doctors.
That is what happened in an Intact Dilation and extraction.
First, the cervix is dilated. Second, the fetus is positioned for a footling breech. Third, the fetus is partially pulled out, starting with the feet, as far as the neck. Fourth, the brain and material inside the skull is evacuated, so that a dead but otherwise intact fetus can be delivered via the vagina.
No, I honestly wasn't trying to be misleading, I was trying to be clear, but I couldn't think of a better word. A microscopic photograph says it much more clearly.
What I was talking about is that a human fetus (better?), throughout the first term... the traditional period for allowing elective abortions, as affirmed in Roe v Wade... is not viable as an individual, and therefore is not a person. It is instead the possibility of a person, just as the acorn is the possibility of an oak tree, and the egg is the possibility of a chicken, but nobody confuses the two.
A zygote and a fetus are different beings. The fetus at this point is not viable but whether it is a person is debatable but something neither side can prove.
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In other words, throughout the first trimester a fetus is a part of the mother's body, distinct but indivisible, and incapable of living if the mother dies or if it is removed from the mother. And since many spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriages) occur during the period, it should be obvious that though we can and do mourn the loss of a possibility, we do not treat them, culturally or legally, as the deaths of individuals, because they are not. And that is a simple biological fact.
We do at times treat them as individual deaths.
Following the murder of a pregnant woman in Texas, her estranged husband Matthew Sowders, 28, was arrested and charged with her murder and that of her unborn child.
People who have religious or moral views in conflict with this natural fact simply must accept that their belief, no matter how deeply held, does not apply and cannot rule to everyone in our diverse culture.
Where are all of the pro-life politicians who are always proposing legislation to beef up regulations on abortion clinics? Why aren't they introducing legislation to crack down on other types of outpatient clinics where there is the potential for something to go wrong?
Where is the legislation requiring that the necessary emergency medical equipment and specialists be present at each and every outpatient clinic, instead of just abortion clinics?
Hmmmm?
Looks like pro-life politicians are only pro-fetal life......other life.....not so much.
""Outpatient clinics or office settings are generally not regulated in
the same way as hospitals are,""
Thanks for making my point for me. Or are we just arguing, to be arguing?
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Exactly!
The Progressives want to regulate everything else, but when it comes to eugenics, the only regulation is to make it accessible at the 7-11.
Of course eugenics and abortion are two distinctly different things but that doesn't stop your lame attempt at hyperbolically equating them, eh?
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