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1. unions worker are not always properly trained
2. union workers get the benefit of a union raise, whether they EARN it (performance based) or not
3. unions support a min wage hike, because they think it will propel their wages....which is a big if
4. unions don't support """pay for performance"""...they are quite afraid of that term
The "term pay for performance" came into popularity around the turn of the last century. TR even fell for that line, till he visited the cigar sweatshops in the NYC tenements, now we work in a different era time for a new line.
Piece work is something that no one should be forced into, thats why we have Labor Laws and Child Labor Laws. You can hate unions all you want but they have a place in our Country and have helped to create better working conditions today.
1. unions worker are not always properly trained
2. union workers get the benefit of a union raise, whether they EARN it (performance based) or not
3. unions support a min wage hike, because they think it will propel their wages....which is a big if
4. unions don't support """pay for performance"""...they are quite afraid of that term
My husband's company has had some of their factory locations on strike for the last month. The factory employees start at $12 an hour. They were striking to make a higher starting wage. The company offered a fair contract with guaranteed raises, and most of the locations went back to work, but 2 continued to strike.
The company needed the work done, so they sent salaried employees from their HQ to run the factory. These people went for two weeks at a time and were able to run the entire factory with completely new, untrained employees.
If you want to strike over a starting pay higher than $12 an hour, you should probably make sure your job can't easily be done by untrained desk jockeys. So agreed, there are many union jobs that require little to no training.
The Economic Policy Institute, a think tank focused on labor issues found that if the minimum wage were increased from its current level of $7.25 per hour to $10.10, as proposed by the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2014, more than 1.7 million Americans would no longer have to rely on public assistance programs. This would produce $7.6 billion per year or more in savings for the federal government, according to the study.
You need to find a better non-biased source if you want to be taken serious.
About EPI. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan think tank created in 1986 to include the needs of low- and middle-income workers in economic policy discussions. EPI believes every working person deserves a good job with fair pay, affordable health care, and retirement security.
The Economic Policy Institute, a think tank focused on labor issues found that if the minimum wage were increased from its current level of $7.25 per hour to $10.10, as proposed by the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2014, more than 1.7 million Americans would no longer have to rely on public assistance programs. This would produce $7.6 billion per year or more in savings for the federal government, according to the study.
The EPI has a progressive agenda, and they don't even try to hide it. So I'm already inclined to disbelieve it.
But let's say it is true. My answer is "So what?"
Why in the world would I ever want to save the federal government money by means of mandating how private individuals run their businesses in what is supposed to be a free country?
You liberals are such incredible hypocrites. You're all for freedom and constitutional rights, but only when it suits you. Like when it comes to abortion or gay marriage. But when it comes to people owning firearms or making their own healthcare decisions or deciding how to run their businesses, then freedom goes right out the window. It's repulsive.
Get it through your thick ignorant skulls that McDonald's isn't your mommy. Your boss is not responsible to make sure you have a nice dinner and tuck you in bed at night.
If you can't survive on the money you're making at your job, the answer isn't to run to Democrats and get them to muscle your boss into paying you more money. The answer is to get off your ass and get a better job. Grow up and take responsibility for yourself.
The EPI has a progressive agenda, and they don't even try to hide it. So I'm already inclined to disbelieve it.
But let's say it is true. My answer is "So what?"
Why in the world would I ever want to save the federal government money by means of mandating how private individuals run their businesses in what is supposed to be a free country?
You liberals are such incredible hypocrites. You're all for freedom and constitutional rights, but only when it suits you. When it comes to abortion or gay marriage. But when it comes to people owning firearms or making their own healthcare decisions or deciding how to run their businesses, then freedom goes right out the window. It's repulsive.
Get it through your thick ignorant skulls that McDonald's isn't your mommy. Your boss is not responsible to make sure you have a nice dinner and tucked away in bed at night.
If you can't survive on the money you're making at your job, the answer isn't to run to Democrats and get them to muscle your boss into paying you more money. The answer is to get off your ass and get a better job. Grow up and take responsibility for yourself.
There you go...the neo-con agenda: Allowing private companies to keep their profits while socializing the liabilities.
The argument to raise minimum wage is proof, imo, that liberals hate the poor. Why else would you want to torment a segment of our population by temporarily increasing their buying power so that they get used to a better lifestyle when you know from historical data that the increase is only going to last until the market corrects itself and they are going to once again be unable to afford any luxuries?
Some Liberals tend to only examine the issues superficially, responding to bumper-sticker slogans and feel-good headlines without examining the deeper effects of the policies they propose. Sure fair wages and healthcare for everyone sound like great ideas, but when you dig into reality once these policies hit the street, a myriad of negative side affects rise to the surface.
Look at the plastic bag ban. Libs are in favor of eliminating plastic grocery bags in favor of reusable cloth and plastic bags. The thing is, the production and distribution of reusable bags has a bigger negative impact on our environment than plastic bags. A study revealed that to be more eco-friendly than plastic, reusable bags needed to be used 171 times, while the average bag is discarded and replaced after about 50 uses.
Raising the minimum wage sounds like a good idea at face value, but dig into the impact it has on low-skilled workers, employers and those earning just over the current and/or proposed minimum wage and you see that while its easy to feel good about supporting stuff like the minimum wage, its actually more destructive to the lower and lower-middle class than leaving things alone.
You honestly think they won't just raise the threshold for benefits?
Some people....
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You honestly think "they" would?
You already did.
Suppressed Evidence Intentionally failing to use information suspected of being relevant and significant is committing the fallacy of suppressed evidence. This fallacy usually occurs when the information counts against one’s own conclusion.
Let's look at the irrefutable facts.
1] You and your ilk claim Wages do not keep pace with Inflation.
That is a lie on two accounts.
First, if Monetary Inflation exists, then wages do keep pace.
Second, in the absence of Monetary Inflation, then rising prices have other causes, two causes in particular.
Demand-pull Inflation: caused by over-consumption of resources.
Your argument is effectively that we should increase wages to both encourage and ensure the environment is damaged and resources are depleted at an even faster rate.
That is a hypocritical contradiction of your "Save the Environment" meme.
Cost-push Inflation: has two forms...first, you elect politicians who subsequently levy costs on everyone ---typically business and industry, then cry because you cannot grasp the concept that nothing is "free."
A perfect example is food prices.
You demand legislation as part of your hypocritical contradictory "Save the Environment" meme, so the EPA forces ethanol consumption. That pulls corn from the Food Market creating a shortage, which drives up the price of food.
Then you have drought on top of that, plus low yield harvests which further reduces the corn supply driving up food prices.
Second, monopoly/cartel costs. You support legislation that further shifts your healthcare system into the Command Market under the control of a monopoly/cartel.
Because you steadfastly reject Free Market reforms based on ideological Group-Think instead of logic, reason and facts, you have a monopoly hospital system that allows for charges of $117,000 on unsuspecting consumers.
2] Every federal minimum wage increase has been followed by a subsequent "raising of the bar."
Check the Federal Register.
3] Because you have 1,539 separate economies in the US, you already have single persons with no children earning $26.75/hour or $53,490 annually having their rent paid by tax-payers through HUD.
Raising the minimum wage will not keep tax-payers from getting soaked paying the rent for others.
Your arguments are wholly circular.
People can't live on minimum wage, so it must be increased and you're racist if you disagree....(one minimum wage increase later)...People can't live on minimum wage, so federal handouts have to be increased and you're racist if you disagree....People can't live on minimum wage, so it must be increased and you're racist if you disagree....(one minimum wage increase later)...People can't live on minimum wage, so federal handouts have to be increased and you're racist if you disagree....People can't live on minimum wage, so it must be increased and you're racist if you disagree....(one minimum wage increase later)...People can't live on minimum wage, so federal handouts have to be increased and you're racist if you disagree....People can't live on minimum wage, so it must be increased and you're racist if you disagree....(one minimum wage increase later)...People can't live on minimum wage, so federal handouts have to be increased and you're racist if you disagree....
Just take a look at the ridiculously HIGH turnover rate in any retail company that doesn't pay well. How much $$$$$ do they lose every year having to train people constantly? How much does it cost them in time and management resources to have to keep interviewing and hiring people? How much does it cost them when they can't replace staff immediately, resulting in poor customer service and lost revenue?
Employees who are treated with dignity and make a decent salary are far more loyal to their employer and will work harder.... resulting in better customer service, higher profits, and a great reputation. What's so bad about that?
Just take a look at the ridiculously HIGH turnover rate in any retail company that doesn't pay well. How much $$$$$ do they lose every year having to train people constantly? How much does it cost them in time and management resources to have to keep interviewing and hiring people? How much does it cost them when they can't replace staff immediately, resulting in poor customer service and lost revenue?
Employees who are treated with dignity and make a decent salary are far more loyal to their employer and will work harder.... resulting in better customer service, higher profits, and a great reputation. What's so bad about that?
Each business needs to decide what is best for them.
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