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Old 10-24-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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My ancestors came to this country to escape persecution from antisemitic Christians who didn't allow them to practice Judaism without governmental persecution.

The way gay terrorists are making it here in America I fully expect to flee this country from antisemitic homosexuals who wont allow me and my decedents to practice Judaism without governmental persecution.
Why do you assume that because one is gay that they are antisemetic? Why can't gays have the same equal rights as everyone? I know that you want to use your religion to discriminate against gays, but you cannot, nor can a catholic, Babtist, Hindu or any other religion use their religion to discriminate against another US citizen. Your religion does not trump law. Why do you hate gays so much? What did they do to you? Odd that a Jew would want to persecute another group of people, when Jews have a long history of persecution from the majority. I also have ancestors of Jewish descent that fled Germany. You can practice your Judaism, but it does not trump law. Same with any other religion. Laws protect us from persecuting each other with our beliefs.


This thread is a dead end. Number one is that these two people are not real ministers, they are ministers for hire for weddings for profit. They are no more a pastor then I am, all they are doing is trying to use their religion to trump law and stir up trouble. They were never threatened with a law suit, nor asked to perform any same sex wedding. They lit a fire where there was none, just to play the victim. Just to make the point, all businesses open to the public is subject to any non discrimination laws in what ever municipalities they are in. Now if they want to run a real church, they can do that and refuse to marry any one for what ever reason they like, like lets say a Black to a Jew. But they were not a real church ever. This horse is dead and should be buried. The anti same sex marriage people are just getting paranoid and delusional with their fictitious what ifs.

 
Old 10-25-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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Why do you assume that because one is gay that they are antisemetic? Why can't gays have the same equal rights as everyone? I know that you want to use your religion to discriminate against gays, but you cannot, nor can a catholic, Babtist, Hindu or any other religion use their religion to discriminate against another US citizen. Your religion does not trump law. Why do you hate gays so much? What did they do to you? Odd that a Jew would want to persecute another group of people, when Jews have a long history of persecution from the majority. I also have ancestors of Jewish descent that fled Germany. You can practice your Judaism, but it does not trump law. Same with any other religion. Laws protect us from persecuting each other with our beliefs.


This thread is a dead end. Number one is that these two people are not real ministers, they are ministers for hire for weddings for profit. They are no more a pastor then I am, all they are doing is trying to use their religion to trump law and stir up trouble. They were never threatened with a law suit, nor asked to perform any same sex wedding. They lit a fire where there was none, just to play the victim. Just to make the point, all businesses open to the public is subject to any non discrimination laws in what ever municipalities they are in. Now if they want to run a real church, they can do that and refuse to marry any one for what ever reason they like, like lets say a Black to a Jew. But they were not a real church ever. This horse is dead and should be buried. The anti same sex marriage people are just getting paranoid and delusional with their fictitious what ifs.

homosexuality is against Judaism
baking a wedding cake, selling a wedding ring, renting a wedding hall, or preforming a ceremony for a same sex "marriage" is against Judaism


gay terrorist=antisemite

gay terrorist means forcing someone (even if you are not gay) to bake a wedding cake, sell a wedding cake, rent a wedding hall, or preform a ceremony, for a same sex "marriage"

if you support forcing Jews to violate Judaism by helping out a same sex "marriage you are antisemite no better than Seleucid Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Spanish (Inquisition), Ukrainians (Tach vetat), Nazis, Soviets etc.

wear it with pride because years from now you will still be known as a antisemite
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:29 PM
 
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How come the homosexuals can’t just leave religious folks alone and stop pestering and bothering them all the time? You still get your cakes, dresses, rights yet you can’t just be happy about it or satisfied without having to make somebody else miserable because you’ve been blessed with the plight of homosexuality, not everyone sees the world as you do, never will, and you make up, at best, 3% of the population. Can you imagine if society were to overwhelmingly stop being so charitable and benevolent with you and suddenly reversed position with you instead? Then you’d learn the unpleasant way what it’s like to be bullied as the religious and believers do in today’s world.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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How come the homosexuals can’t just leave religious folks alone and stop pestering and bothering them all the time? You still get your cakes, dresses, rights yet you can’t just be happy about it or satisfied without having to make somebody else miserable because you’ve been blessed with the plight of homosexuality, not everyone sees the world as you do, never will, and you make up, at best, 3% of the population. Can you imagine if society were to overwhelmingly stop being so charitable and benevolent with you and suddenly reversed position with you instead? Then you’d learn the unpleasant way what it’s like to be bullied as the religious and believers do in today’s world.
How come religious folks just can't leave homosexuals alone instead of executing them or locking them up in mental hospitals or banning them from military service or banning them from being teachers or banning them from civil marriage ...........
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:45 PM
 
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How come religious folks just can't leave homosexuals alone instead of executing them or locking them up in mental hospitals...
Do you have any links to these executions and mental health facility incarcerations in this country in the present day? Names? Locations? You don’t because that is not happening and is simply nothing more than additional lies and untruths you fabricated for the drama effect.

The continual lying works against your cause as the general population does not buy it and the unnecessary religious prosecution on your part is not going over too well either.
 
Old 10-26-2014, 01:17 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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How come the homosexuals can’t just leave religious folks alone and stop pestering and bothering them all the time? You still get your cakes, dresses, rights yet you can’t just be happy about it or satisfied without having to make somebody else miserable because you’ve been blessed with the plight of homosexuality, not everyone sees the world as you do, never will, and you make up, at best, 3% of the population. Can you imagine if society were to overwhelmingly stop being so charitable and benevolent with you and suddenly reversed position with you instead? Then you’d learn the unpleasant way what it’s like to be bullied as the religious and believers do in today’s world.
Ha, baloney, much of the persecution and bullying is coming from the religious people using their religion to judge and demean others. Society does not have the right to vote on the rights of any minority, PERIOD. And that goes the same for you NYJEW, your religion does not give you the right to use it against others. You two deserve each other.
 
Old 10-26-2014, 01:20 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Do you have any links to these executions and mental health facility incarcerations in this country in the present day? Names? Locations? You don’t because that is not happening and is simply nothing more than additional lies and untruths you fabricated for the drama effect.

The continual lying works against your cause as the general population does not buy it and the unnecessary religious prosecution on your part is not going over too well either.
They are not lies, they are the truth of what has happened to gays in the past. Why do you not google it if you do not believe it. The persecution is coming from the religous that want to use their religion to deny a group of people equal rights.
 
Old 10-26-2014, 01:33 AM
 
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They are not lies, they are the truth of what has happened to gays in the past. Why do you not google it if you do not believe it. The persecution is coming from the religous that want to use their religion to deny a group of people equal rights.
And it's also happening now in various parts of the world. Nowhere in my post did I geographically limit "religious folks" to the US.
 
Old 10-26-2014, 03:24 AM
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Location: Florida
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One's religion is a legitimate reason to decide to leave a line of work. It isn't a legitimate reason to stay in a line of work and offer your services in a discriminatory manner.
 
Old 10-26-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Here
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Ha, baloney, much of the persecution and bullying is coming from the religious people using their religion to judge and demean others. Society does not have the right to vote on the rights of any minority, PERIOD. And that goes the same for you NYJEW, your religion does not give you the right to use it against others. You two deserve each other.
Oh really? You are most sadly wrong and incorrect. The religious are not intentionally going out of their way to seek out the homosexual just to cause problems and make lives miserable. In fact the opposite is true; the homosexual deliberately seeks out and attacks the religious who rightfully refuse to acquiesce to the unreasonable demands and expectations from the homosexualized community at large such that it is.

The faithful have the constitutionally guaranteed freedom and protected right to worship as they so shall please which harms nobody, including but not limited to the homosexual. I will support, help, assist, aid and defend them from bullies.

Instead of going on your merry little way why do you desire to make religious people’s lives unhappy and miserable? It is really not necessary and should be avoided. Just get your cakes, dresses, receptions, etc. where you are welcomed and wanted as the service will be infinitely better and you will have a pleasant experience or is it that you are all basically unhappy individuals by default as you do exist on the fringe of a society that is bending over backwards to accommodate you. [*Classified Information omitted* proceed with redirect].

Is homosexualized “marriage” for you not enough? Society gave you a huge gift that you demonstrate no appreciation for. By thankful for what you have as the charity that society has given can be taken away just as easily if you keep pushing it.

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