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Old 10-20-2014, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Lake Country
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also, I think the point is moot. if someone is so pitiful, that they are somehow slithering through life without an ID, I would say the chances are that they're much to lazy to get out and vote.
Unless they are rounded up by an organizer, fed, given smokes and a ride to the polls. All for free.
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Old 10-20-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How would you prevent any form of vote fraud without first identifying the voter?
Are you saying state attorney generals are incapable of investigating voter fraud without people showing a photo ID?
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Old 10-20-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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Are you saying state attorney generals are incapable of investigating voter fraud without people showing a photo ID?
That doesn't answer the question, the question was:
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How would you prevent any form of vote fraud without first identifying the voter?
Once the act is complete it's very hard if not impossible to prove. Furthermore who are you going to arrest if it's dead guy voting?
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Old 10-20-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That doesn't answer the question, the question was:
Well I don't know about how you vote, but often times I have had to sign my name to be compared to the one they had on file, as well as give them my social security number. I have been asked to show a piece of mail that had my address on it to show where I lived to make sure I was voting in the correct area.

Granted living in Oregon, it is all mail in ballots so for me to identify myself, they need my last four numbers on my social security and my signature on top of the sealed packet.

That seems to be more than enough to identify me as a voter in my state.

How does a photo ID help if the person checking the ID has no idea what you should look like?
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Democrat Logic 101

Photo IDs for buying a gun is essential to reduce fraud. Photo IDs for voting won't cut down fraud and are racist.

The sanctity of the private ballot is important. Unions should not allow private ballots - even Public Unions for government jobs - the Union Bosses should be able to see how you vote on labor issues.

You can't check for evidence of voter fraud, because we don't have enough evidence that it is a problem, even though we don't look for it much.

Photo IDs, even when given out for free, is a form of disenfranchisement. Photo IDs for your 2nd amendment rights does not take away your 2nd amendment rights.

Photo IDs are very effective for figuring out who is who when you attend the Democratic National Convention and etc...Photo IDs can be faked and wouldn't be effective to see who is who when voting.

Western Europe is more sophisticated than the US at taking proper care of and protecting it's citizen's rights. Western European photo ID laws would be racist and anti-poor if brought here.

Blacks are less likely to figure out how to get a free ID, even though they are more likely to live within walking distance of a DMV SoS.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Union Says Photo IDs not Necessary to Vote

...not that we would expect consistency from unions or any other progressive group.
Conservatives and their straw men... It's quite funny how they don't understand the difference between union voting and voting for a US political office... Poll tax anyone?
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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Using your same mind reading powers:

Democrats cheated...won some victories, so they oppose a more honest system to hold their fraudulent advantage.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!


Democrats we need to be more like ultra civilized Western Europe, except their racist voter ID laws.

Democrats we need to protect the sanctity of the ballot, unless you are in a Union so the union bosses can coerce you.
And what victories are these, can you name them. If the proof was there, you don't think republicans wouldn't have jumped to this chance.
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Democrat Logic 101

Photo IDs for buying a gun is essential to reduce fraud. Photo IDs for voting won't cut down fraud and are racist.

The sanctity of the private ballot is important. Unions should not allow private ballots - even Public Unions for government jobs - the Union Bosses should be able to see how you vote on labor issues.

You can't check for evidence of voter fraud, because we don't have enough evidence that it is a problem, even though we don't look for it much.

Photo IDs, even when given out for free, is a form of disenfranchisement. Photo IDs for your 2nd amendment rights does not take away your 2nd amendment rights.

Photo IDs are very effective for figuring out who is who when you attend the Democratic National Convention and etc...Photo IDs can be faked and wouldn't be effective to see who is who when voting.

Western Europe is more sophisticated than the US at taking proper care of and protecting it's citizen's rights. Western European photo ID laws would be racist and anti-poor if brought here.

Blacks are less likely to figure out how to get a free ID, even though they are more likely to live within walking distance of a DMV SoS.
What? I stopped at your first sentence because it was just completely incorrect. No one is concerned about "fraud" when it comes to buying a gun, it is about background checks to make sure people aren't criminals or dangerous to be a gun owner.

No one here is saying we need to do background checks for someone to vote. That is the job of the voter rolls to purge the names of people who die or go to prison.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:01 AM
 
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We can effectively end this debate by ensuring equal access to IDs and not imposing any monetary costs to obtain them if a person can't afford them.
People always wanting a free ride, a 47%er.

Stop whining and pay to play like everyone else does.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:05 AM
 
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What? I stopped at your first sentence because it was just completely incorrect. No one is concerned about "fraud" when it comes to buying a gun, it is about background checks to make sure people aren't criminals or dangerous to be a gun owner.

No one here is saying we need to do background checks for someone to vote. That is the job of the voter rolls to purge the names of people who die or go to prison.
lol, oh yea, a background check really stops criminals from getting guns. Is there something wrong with your head?

Stop parroting the Dem and Liberal lie and start thinking for yourself. Use some common sense.
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