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Old 12-16-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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How much money has US CIA made after opium fields guarded-Afghanistan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwaLSzeq0M
Great point. How much has the CIA made off drugs in general? Especially in Latin America.

The CIA is a treasonous and rogue organization that needs to be disbanded.
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Old 12-16-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Kind of hard to judge differences in murders really. ISIS still has quite a ways to go tho to equal Saddam in that regard.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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How much money has US CIA made after opium fields guarded-Afghanistan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwaLSzeq0M
Very interesting......now we know why Afghanistan was never really spoken about.....
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:33 PM
 
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Kind of hard to judge differences in murders really. ISIS still has quite a ways to go tho to equal Saddam in that regard.
I have heard ISIS is mostly made up of soldiers of Saddam. Also, some of his generals this is the reason they have such power and speed to recruit.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:56 PM
 
Location: WY
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1. So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? 2, Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? 3. If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

4. Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
1, ISIL has the capabilities, the funding and the desire to destroy Americans on an epic scale. Dirty bombs. Downing of planes. Destruction of structures and tens of thousands of people in major city blocks with backpack bombs. You name it - if its big and will destroy much property and many lives, and they can get it organized, they will do it. Drug cartels kill as many people as they need to in order to simply to ensure the continuation of the power and money tied to the drug market.. Muslim extremists want to kill all of us simply because they hate us and everything we represent..

2. Yes we should be concerned about our borders. Our government has the highest obligation to secure the safety of its citizens by any means necessary. They are not fulfilling their highest obligation.

3. Muslim extremists hate us. Every single one of us. They hate us. And if we all stayed home and stopped playing a real life game of Call of Duty they would still hate us, and would still want to kill every one of us.

4. No. Clear thinking people do not believe that. Clear thinking people know how to defeat ISIL but it would be very fast, very ugly and nobody wants to face what we would have to do to actually defeat these barbarians.. No our government and not our citizens. So we will have to keep spending trillions of dollars, keep having our rights imposed upon, keep looking over our shoulders, keep watching them get stronger and us get weaker, for many years to come.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL | Al Jazeera America

Interesting article. It seems many Americans are not aware of the prevalence of Mexican drug cartel violence and beheadings-or at least choose to ignore it, like our media. The corporate media seems to have an agenda and stories are headlined to ensure it is followed.

Why are we giving so much free publicity and airtime to ISIL? Doesn't having the largest military superpower on Earth waging a war on ISIL give them all the credibility they need in the World of jihadists? Are we trying to funnel Islamic terrorists into one group or are we building up another formidable boogeyman ala Al Qaeda that will ensure decades of warfare for the war profiteers?

" In 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes."

So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
The difference is that in Mexico drugs are illegal, murder is illegal, and decapitating is illegal. All that is being done secretly, if caught you go to jail. But in isis control territories all that is being done in plain sight with the cheering of that crowd. But wait there still more, crucifying cristians children included. Taking slaves, selling women and children as slaves openly, Stoning people to death openly being performed by the community. Marrying children having sex with children, and I can go on and on. I forgot this is happening not only on Isis control territories, but in most Arab countries.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The difference is that in Mexico drugs are illegal, murder is illegal, and decapitating is illegal. All that is being done secretly, if caught you go to jail. But in isis control territories all that is being done in plain sight with the cheering of that crowd. But wait there still more, crucifying cristians children included. Taking slaves, selling women and children as slaves openly, Stoning people to death openly being performed by the community. Marrying children having sex with children, and I can go on and on. I forgot this is happening not only on Isis control territories, but in most Arab countries.
This is not true in the least bit. Local Mexican Governments and Police are often alligned with the drug cartels and assist in murders, kidnappings, beheadings, extortions, torture.

Most citizens in Mexico believe the police were responsible for the 50 missing College students and are aware of many mass graves around the country.

I suggest you read this excellent book:

Drug War Capitalism | AK Press


"Though pillage, profit, and plunder have been a mainstay of war since precolonial times, there is little contemporary focus on the role of finance and economics in today’s “Drug Wars”—despite the fact that they boost US banks and fill prisons with poor people. They feed political campaigns, increase the arms trade, and function as long-term fixes to capitalism’s woes, cracking open new territories to privatization and foreign direct investment.

This unprecedented book chronicles how terror is used against the population at large in cities and rural areas, generating panic and facilitating policy changes that benefit the international private sector, particularly extractive industries like petroleum and mining. This is what is really going on. This is drug war capitalism."



Most opinions on here seem to be heavily influenced by our war hungry, corporately monopolized media. Most of what you see on the nightly news is blatant propaganda. Just like Al Qaeda, ISIS is a creation (either directly or indirectly) of THE CIA.

Top local cop arrested in 43 students' disappearance - CNN.com

Mexico: Bodies Of Missing Students Abducted By Police Were Burned

Muslim extremists in the Middle East would not be a threat to this country if we were not over there f%$%@ $h!t up.

FOLLOW THE MONEY-it's all about "facilitating policy changes that will benefit the international private sector, with allegience to no country nation or people".

Corporations are IN, Countries are OUT.

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Old 12-18-2014, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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1, ISIL has the capabilities, the funding and the desire to destroy Americans on an epic scale. Dirty bombs. Downing of planes. Destruction of structures and tens of thousands of people in major city blocks with backpack bombs. You name it - if its big and will destroy much property and many lives, and they can get it organized, they will do it. Drug cartels kill as many people as they need to in order to simply to ensure the continuation of the power and money tied to the drug market.. Muslim extremists want to kill all of us simply because they hate us and everything we represent..

2. Yes we should be concerned about our borders. Our government has the highest obligation to secure the safety of its citizens by any means necessary. They are not fulfilling their highest obligation.

3. Muslim extremists hate us. Every single one of us. They hate us. And if we all stayed home and stopped playing a real life game of Call of Duty they would still hate us, and would still want to kill every one of us.

4. No. Clear thinking people do not believe that. Clear thinking people know how to defeat ISIL but it would be very fast, very ugly and nobody wants to face what we would have to do to actually defeat these barbarians.. No our government and not our citizens. So we will have to keep spending trillions of dollars, keep having our rights imposed upon, keep looking over our shoulders, keep watching them get stronger and us get weaker, for many years to come.
1. Not true. It has been shown many times that the only reason Muslim extremists are focused on the US is due to our meddling in the Middle East for decades and decades. We have absolutely no right to be there and for every civilian killed another terrorist or 5 is created. The CIA is also heavily involved with training, funding and arming various terrorist groups. They like to control the opposition (or so they think).

2. Why not? Is it because nationless corporations are now more important than countries/borders, and they need the cheap labor and new underclass to exploit?

3. You have no reason to state those claims.

4. It that because our Government colludes with nationless war corporations and an ongoing war on "terror", like the war on "drugs" would ensure decades of profit and control/manipulation over people and foreign Governments?

Remember it is all about "facilitating policy changes that benefit the international private sector".
Of the 100 largest economies in the World there are now more nationless corporations than entire nations. Wars and policies are conspired for their benefit.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Just saw this article today.

100 Beheadings So Far in 2015 and Counting... And No, It's Not ISIS

Interesting that our Government/media fakes such outrage for ISIS beheadings yet a nation that is considered a close "ally"-Saudi Arabia-has beheaded over 100 this year alone, a 6 month timeframe. That is a record for modern day Saudi executions.

Some friends our Government chooses to play with....
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Just saw this article today.

100 Beheadings So Far in 2015 and Counting... And No, It's Not ISIS

Interesting that our Government/media fakes such outrage for ISIS beheadings yet a nation that is considered a close "ally"-Saudi Arabia-has beheaded over 100 this year alone, a 6 month timeframe. That is a record for modern day Saudi executions.

Some friends our Government chooses to play with....
The article is right-who cares who ISIS butchers and slaughters in the Middle East? Not our problem and for darned sure not worth the life of ONE American serviceman or women.

What is sad and rather pathetic is how so few are willing to secure our Southern border, keep vicious criminals such as cartel members from crossing our unprotected border, and worse, once these criminals are actually caught, how many insist on turning them loose to prey upon US citizens. Sad that some of our more liberal, pandering politicians are a bigger threat to US citizens than ISIS is.
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