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Old 10-23-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I think you may have missed my point. Marijuana legalization is okay (though my opinion is changing with the results of the Colorado experiment). Legal marijuana may hurt the cartels to an extent, but don't kid yourself thinking they'll just quit the drug trade. They'll just up their exporting of the heavier drugs.

If it hurts the cartels by ending prohibition (which should have NEVER happened in the first place) and forces LE to focus on other more pressing issues, like violent crimes instead of someone consuming, possessing, or cultivating a plant without being prosecuted, then I'm all for it. Besides, who smokes Mexican weed anyway? It's crap! Everyone knows the best stuff is grown here in the US and Canada. Secondly, cannabis already is the largest cash crop in the US (bigger than corn and soybeans). History has shown that prohibition is a failure. We tried it with alcohol, and it didn't work.
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. That's a lot of justification for over 60,000 murders (widely believed to be underestimated) in the past decade in a country that borders us.

The cartels have killed 300 Americans-many tourists. ISIL has killed 3 and most Americans have no reason to be anywhere in their region-the most historically violent in the World.
A black male aged 15-24, depending on specific locale, is anywhere from 20-200x more likely to be shot by another 15-24 year old black male than by a police officer (of any race).

Which one makes more news?

Hammers, knives, and bare hands are each responsible for more murders each year than assault rifles of any kind.

Which one makes more news?

Etc etc.

Who knows why some things are more wildly blown out of proportion than others. The media gives us what they think we want to see/hear.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: USA
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The cartels only go after people that are "risky" to their business. If you're not doing something to get in their way they don't care about you. ISIS is a fanatic radical Islamist organization.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The cartels only go after people that are "risky" to their business. If you're not doing something to get in their way they don't care about you. ISIS is a fanatic radical Islamist organization.
I guess you think American tourists killed for not having ransom money or Police Officers investigating crime scenes, journalists reporting facts, children, etc. "got in the way". Lay off the media rhetoric-it's dangerous for you.

The Middle East would be of no threat to us if we were not invading and occupying. And even now, the threat is often fabricated and overstated. Our media is like the unofficial spokesperson for ISIL-making sure their message is available for all the World to hear.

The Mexican cartel business on the other hand is intertwined into the US and is reliant on our citizens for their profits.

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Old 10-23-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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A black male aged 15-24, depending on specific locale, is anywhere from 20-200x more likely to be shot by another 15-24 year old black male than by a police officer (of any race).

Which one makes more news?

Hammers, knives, and bare hands are each responsible for more murders each year than assault rifles of any kind.

Which one makes more news?

Etc etc.

Who knows why some things are more wildly blown out of proportion than others. The media gives us what they think we want to see/hear.
The Media is manufacturing consent for profitable war in The Middle East-this has been shown time and time again. The CIA approves news stories and it has been proven that even The NY Times runs all stories by our Government before publishing.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:25 AM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. That's a lot of justification for over 60,000 murders (widely believed to be underestimated) in the past decade in a country that borders us. Many of the most violent cities are all close to the wide open US border too.

The cartels have killed 300 Americans-many tourists. ISIS/ISIL has killed 3 and most Americans have no reason to be anywhere in their region thousands and thousands of miles away-the most historically violent in the World.
Some cartels are headquartered in south Texas the gulf cartel has a very heavy presence in Houston. They are growing marijuana in Texas and manufacturing other drugs like meth and heroin in Texas they no longer have to worry about smuggling across the border. The war is slowly evolving.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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Funny how the dea can crack down on vicodin but not the cartels.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Homo-sapiens...aren't they wonderful?
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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The Media is manufacturing consent for profitable war in The Middle East-this has been shown time and time again. The CIA approves news stories and it has been proven that even The NY Times runs all stories by our Government before publishing.
And black helicopters are watching you right this minute, and beaming microwaves into your brain!!

There's a ton of reasons why IS(IS/IL) gets news and the Mexican cartels don't. Some political, some economic, some geographic, and some diplomatic. Is some of that guided by government? Of course. Is some guided by simple North American favoritism vs Middle East antagonism? Of course.

Plus, the media makes more money the more frightened you are. The image of a Spanish speaking drug dealer whacking someone with an AK is so popularized by the film industry, it's an embarrassing cliche so common it's ubiquitous. Point being, seeing some swarthy version of el Jefe and his goons running weed/coca in crap hole jungles and killing el gringo and los policia, is no longer scary because we're saturated with it. Ho hum, Mexican drug lords killing each other...and in other news, water is still wet.

But scary Jayvee Jihadi in his all black gear, babbling his Arabic chants to Allah and then sawing off an American's head for the crime of being American...well now that's downright scary, and even better...IT'S NEW! Make that the lead story, scare everyone to death. We romanticize drug lords cutting off someone's head, but soil our undies if a religious nut does it, and the media gets paid more for making you soil your undies.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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And black helicopters are watching you right this minute, and beaming microwaves into your brain!!

There's a ton of reasons why IS(IS/IL) gets news and the Mexican cartels don't. Some political, some economic, some geographic, and some diplomatic. Is some of that guided by government? Of course. Is some guided by simple North American favoritism vs Middle East antagonism? Of course.

Plus, the media makes more money the more frightened you are. The image of a Spanish speaking drug dealer whacking someone with an AK is so popularized by the film industry, it's an embarrassing cliche so common it's ubiquitous. Point being, seeing some swarthy version of el Jefe and his goons running weed/coca in crap hole jungles and killing el gringo and los policia, is no longer scary because we're saturated with it. Ho hum, Mexican drug lords killing each other...and in other news, water is still wet.

But scary Jayvee Jihadi in his all black gear, babbling his Arabic chants to Allah and then sawing off an American's head for the crime of being American...well now that's downright scary, and even better...IT'S NEW! Make that the lead story, scare everyone to death. We romanticize drug lords cutting off someone's head, but soil our undies if a religious nut does it, and the media gets paid more for making you soil your undies.
I agree. Not to mention Isis wants to suicide bomb american cities.
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