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Old 10-29-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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“White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it."
-- Al Sharpton

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent. I’m not joking”
– Joe Biden

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America.”
– Harry Truman

Do you mean these three normal people/liberals? Yeah they seem like real tolerant humans.
Many blacks and whites are conservative on many issues. It just may be dressed or cloaked differently.

Remember that Repubs and Dems have done a 360 in ideologues gradually over history post 1968
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Old 10-29-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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“White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it."
-- Al Sharpton

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent. I’m not joking”
– Joe Biden

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America.”
– Harry Truman

Do you mean these three normal people/liberals? Yeah they seem like real tolerant humans.
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Old 10-30-2014, 02:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So raising taxes may be good or bad.
Not sure how you get that from "raising taxes clearly squelches growth. Obama learned that the hard way."

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I think you mean the shovel-ready jobs that did materialize as promised
No, they didn't. And even Obama admitted such:


Obama: Shovel Ready jobs not shovel ready - YouTube
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Old 10-30-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project

FTA:By contrast, those with consistently liberal views:
Are more likely than those in other ideological groups to block or “defriend” someone on a social network – as well as to end a personal friendship – because of politics.

One reason I don't talk politics with my liberal friends and coworkers.
Pew polls are not very reliable plus they represent the far-right point of view, they're not objective nor neutral !!
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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Not sure how you get that from "raising taxes clearly squelches growth. Obama learned that the hard way."

No, they didn't. And even Obama admitted such:


Obama: Shovel Ready jobs not shovel ready - YouTube
Yes, but you see, that was the past, while we are currently in the present. And from the perspective of today, in the past those jobs did materialize, although perhaps less past than the video you linked.

And raising taxes is the opposite of cutting taxes. So if you think cutting taxes isn't always good (as you just said), it follows that raising taxes isn't always bad.
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Yes, but you see, that was the past, while we are currently in the present. And from the perspective of today, in the past those jobs did materialize, although perhaps less past than the video you linked.
The LFPR is the lowest it's been in decades. We're LOSING jobs our working population needs, not gaining them.

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And raising taxes is the opposite of cutting taxes. So if you think cutting taxes isn't always good (as you just said), it follows that raising taxes isn't always bad.
No, it doesn't. That's just you contorting your thinking. It doesn't work that way.

Raising taxes IS always bad. It destroys more in economic growth than the amount of tax revenue it generates. Even Obama's former top economic advisor researched that and found it to be true. Tax hikes negatively impact the economy by a rate of anywhere from 2.5-3 times the tax increase.

http://emlab.berkeley.edu/~dromer/pa...ERJune2010.pdf

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[Romer's research:]“The behavior of output following these more exogenous changes indicates that tax increases are highly contractionary. The effects are strongly significant, highly robust, and much larger than those obtained using broader measures of tax changes.”
Christina Romer Knows Tax Hikes Will Kill the Recovery - Forbes

Liberal UC Berkeley and Forbes agreeing on something. Imagine that...
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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The LFPR is the lowest it's been in decades. We're LOSING jobs our working population needs, not gaining them.

No, it doesn't. That's just you contorting your thinking. It doesn't work that way.

Raising taxes IS always bad. It destroys more in economic growth than the amount of tax revenue it generates. Even Obama's former top economic advisor researched that and found it to be true. Tax hikes negatively impact the economy by a rate of anywhere from 2.5-3 times the tax increase.

http://emlab.berkeley.edu/~dromer/pa...ERJune2010.pdf


Christina Romer Knows Tax Hikes Will Kill the Recovery - Forbes

Liberal UC Berkeley and Forbes agreeing on something. Imagine that...
You made a logical leap from "tax increases reduce growth" to "more than the amount of tax revenue it generates". You need to provide a source for that claim so it can be torn apart by people who know what they're talking about.

If you want to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, fine. Obama did that (ARRA) and would do it again if the Republicans in Congress would let him. But you can't claim that, and also pretend that it won't negatively impact the deficit (which is why Republicans won't allow it).
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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You made a logical leap from "tax increases reduce growth" to "more than the amount of tax revenue it generates". You need to provide a source for that claim so it can be torn apart by people who know what they're talking about.
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"Tax changes have very large effects: an exogenous tax increase of 1 percent of GDP lowers real GDP by roughly 2 to 3 percent."
http://www.nber.org/digest/mar08/w13264.html


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If you want to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, fine. Obama did that (ARRA) and would do it again if the Republicans in Congress would let him.
BS. Obama increased taxes.

Full List of Obama Tax Hikes | Americans for Tax Reform
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:23 AM
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Not sure how you get that from "raising taxes clearly squelches growth. Obama learned that the hard way."

No, they didn't. And even Obama admitted such:


Obama: Shovel Ready jobs not shovel ready - YouTube
You do realize part of why those jobs werent shovel ready is because they required cooperation with local and state government right ???

Lets say the President Wants to allow your state completely overhaul the state high way system, but your state refuses to, well, he cant force them to do it. So all those shovel ready road work jobs arent there anymore.
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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You do realize part of why those jobs werent shovel ready is because they required cooperation with local and state government right ???

Lets say the President Wants to allow your state completely overhaul the state high way system, but your state refuses to, well, he cant force them to do it. So all those shovel ready road work jobs arent there anymore.
Then the money wouldn't have been spent. So why was it?
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