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Despite all of the left wing Democratic claims that welfare stimulates economies, areas with massive welfare population are slums and are never stimulated by such expenses...
When people are used to getting a government check every month, there isnt any incentive to go out and start your own legit business, thus no jobs are created, thus less employment in those regions..
I actually think the lack of black businesses to some extent is related to the transition from segregation to integration. During segregation blacks owned many businesses in their communities but they were businesses out of necessity because of segregation. With integration coming many blacks saw less of a need to own businesses like they did during segregation. Because with integration the same necessity of business ownership wasn't viewed as being needed like it was during segregation. In some ways I think blacks are still adapting to integration. Blacks were expecting for integration to bring about so much but I hope we now realize that even with integration there is still a necessity to create jobs and opportunities for ourselves still.
I wish people wouldn't attempt to explain poor black people.
Then stop trying.
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The pull to demonize black people is tremendously strong in America
no, it isn't.
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The basic idea being that any huge racial disparities in America are not proof of racism, but of black racial failings and this kind of irrational thinking is strongly applied to poor black people.
Nonsense. That's gibberish.
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You have the basic gist right though. See during these kinds of discussions they want to blame poor black people. They want to pretend that the problem is all about inner city poor black people, but that educated black people are treated fairly.
Very few of ANYONE are treated "fairly", since "fairly" is a wholly subjective judgement based on personal opinion.
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This is why looking at unemployment by education shuts people up because their generalized American lie that negative stats about black Americans only proves how messed up the black race is can't explain why highly educated black Americans as a group have much higher unemployment rates than less educated white people.
I think you made this up, it's nothing but fiction.
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All their phony it's behavior or culture racist explanations fail because these black people have behaved in the exact manner requested and still face discrimination.
So? "Discrimination" isn't an excuse to do badly. Besides, liberals hate conservatives, and think that discrimination is good. So, "discrimination" to a liberal isn't a matter of right or wrong, obviously.
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And they won't grapple with those stats. They won't be troubled by them. If they attempt to address it will be go minimize the stats significance, so they can focus on the real issue which is black people are messed up.
Statistics are pointless, the least useful information, ever. They are easily manipulated to achieve the outcome desired, rather than analyzed to find truth.
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Literally in America it always for racists comes back to black people are collectively failing.
It's liberals who think they're inferior, and say they must have things given to them.
They live in a separate place (separated from white culture.) They speak differently, dress differently, and listen to different music. But this is not because they are black. If you go to a non-racist place such as Colorado or England, the black people there will talk the same as whites, dress the same, and listen to white music.
Wow, you could miss an atomic bomb blast while looking at it.
There are areas where underachieving people gather, of any race or ethnicity. Find out why. Find out why they, then, develop their own subculture, and why that subculture is often one that discourages achievement.
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As another poster said, these conversations have 2 kinds of people. Liberals who see the circumstances that cause black unemployment, and then put forth solutions to solve the problem. And conservatives who attack black people (by saying its their fault, or Africa is undeveloped, ex.ex.)
No, they have two kinds of people... People like you, who blame their political opposition, and those who correctly point out that people are not monolithic blocks, but are ALL individuals, who make individual choices, which create individual outcomes. And that, is the only relevant fact and the ONLY possible means of addressing the matter at all.
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And the conservative response of hatred and blame keeps racism 100% alive in America.
If so, why? If not, then race is probably completely irrelevant.
CULTURE, CULTURE, CULTURE, CULTURE! I don't ever hear members of black speaking out about going above and beyond to achieve, but rather filling their minds with BS about the reason no one is calling them out of the blue to offer a six-figure job or record contract is because of their skin color. White Americans are beaten over the head with accusations of racism and constant reminders of slavery in America THAT ENDED NEARLY 150 YEARS AGO. I wish they would just shut the hell up and realize that slavery has had no direct effect on them personally. If they want people to give them more chances and think better of them, perhaps they need to look at themselves first. I mean god dammit!
I actually think the lack of black businesses to some extent is related to the transition from segregation to integration. During segregation blacks owned many businesses in their communities but they were businesses out of necessity because of segregation. With integration coming many blacks saw less of a need to own businesses like they did during segregation. Because with integration the same necessity of business ownership wasn't viewed as being needed like it was during segregation. In some ways I think blacks are still adapting to integration. Blacks were expecting for integration to bring about so much but I hope we now realize that even with integration there is still a necessity to create jobs and opportunities for ourselves still.
This is nonsense. Will you think. business owners don't exist in a seperate labor market/economy than workers.
So the same labor market that generally is less willing to hire black Americans is the same labor market/economy that will be less likely to give black business owners contracts and loans and investments.
In other words, just telling black Americans to start their own businesses doesn't actually solve the problem of racism.
And what we see is that black owned businesses make much less money, get fewer contracts, get fewer loans and fewer investment opportunities and as a result are far more likely to go out of business.
Very few of ANYONE are treated "fairly", since "fairly" is a wholly subjective judgement based on personal opinion.
I think you made this up, it's nothing but fiction.
So? "Discrimination" isn't an excuse to do badly. Besides, liberals hate conservatives, and think that discrimination is good. So, "discrimination" to a liberal isn't a matter of right or wrong, obviously.
Statistics are pointless, the least useful information, ever. They are easily manipulated to achieve the outcome desired, rather than analyzed to find truth.
It's liberals who think they're inferior, and say they must have things given to them.
I suggest you educate yourself. The stats I'm using come from the department of labor.
Those unemployment stats do in fact prove that white people and black Americans with the same level of education across the board have far different unemployment rates. In that white people consistently have much much lower unemployment rates than black Americans with the same level of education. This is a fact.
On top of that black Americans with higher educations have higher unemployment rates than less educated white people. This is fact
2013 unemployment stats
Black college grads 4yr or advanced degrees 5.7%
White college grads 4yr or advanced degrees 3.5%
Black college grads with 2yr associate degrees 8.5%
White college grads with 2yr associate degrees 4.9%( notice they have a lower unemployment rate than black college grads with 4yr or advance degrees)
Black high school grads with some college 9.8%
White high school grads with some college 6.1%(notice they have a much lower unemployment rate than black people with two year degrees and aren't much higher than for black college grads with 4yror advance degrees)
Black high school grads with no college 10.6%
White high school grads with no college 6.6%(norice again much lower unemployment rate than black people with 2yr associate degrees)
Black high school dropouts 20.6%
White high school dropouts 9.6%(notice white high school dropouts have a lower rate of unemployment than black high school grads)
So the data is devastating because it shows that black Americans with 4yr and advanced degrees suffer a close unemployment gap as black high school dropouts when compared to similarly educated white people.
And it shows consistently that more educated black Americans haveuch higher rates of unemployment than less educated white people.
These stats all priove racial discrimination against black Americans and privilege for white people.
I know you can't discuss those stats and instead wang to focus on the collective racial failings of the black race, but your points are irrational.
This is nonsense. Will you think. business owners don't exist in a seperate labor market/economy than workers.
So the same labor market that generally is less willing to hire black Americans is the same labor market/economy that will be less likely to give black business owners contracts and loans and investments.
In other words, just telling black Americans to start their own businesses doesn't actually solve the problem of racism.
And what we see is that black owned businesses make much less money, get fewer contracts, get fewer loans and fewer investment opportunities and as a result are far more likely to go out of business.
More blacks starting businesses isn't going to cure racism but it will increase employment opportunities for blacks.
Also as far as blacks being denied loans to start businesses. Black-Americans could learn from the Chinese on how they fund their Chinatown businesses.
It's because upward mobility is basically a myth in America. There hasn't been an economically liberal president since LBJ and the people with the money to get their kids thru college will have prosperous kids, the people without the money will not. It doesn't really have anything to do with being black despite what the Stormfronters think, if that were so, rural whites in America would be more prosperous than they were 30 years ago, which they are not.
More blacks starting businesses isn't going to cure racism but it will increase employment opportunities for blacks.
Also as far as blacks being denied loans to start businesses. Black-Americans could learn from the Chinese on how they fund their Chinatown businesses.
Smh you are just refusing to think or pay attention. More black businesses that will fail because they don't have access to loans, contracts, and investments is not going to improve anything but put people through bankruptcy.
Increasing black employment rates will exponentially increase black business ownership. These aren't separate issues, but the same more successful black employee are more likely to strike out on their own to start a business because they have contacts, have investment opportunities, etc.
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