WAPO on Ferguson: 7 or 8 African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson’s account (suspected, Missouri)
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The New York Times did a story about 'leaks' from the Grand Jury and now the Washington Post does a story. NYT was clear that their information came from the Feds. WashPo and St Louis Media have released the Autopsy reports. They did 3 separate Autopsies and then had even more Forensic experts review them. The Prosecutor brought forward EVERY single person who said they "saw what happened". Wilson was on the stand (with no Lawyer) for 4 hours, was interviewed extensively by the St Louis County Police AND the FBI and DOJ. The DOJ has already said there won't be any Civil Rights charges against Wilson.
A grand jury has a much lower threshold of guilt to recommend indictment. They only need to see sufficient evidence to believe a crime MAY have been committed to go forward with indictment. If this case cannot even meet those low standards after reviewing all of the evidence, then there's no way a jury trial would return a different result where the burden of evidence for guilt is much higher.
Basically, if a grand jury will not indict, then there is no case. Prosecutors will try their stuff before a grand jury first because they know if they cant even get it past them, they got no chance at meeting the "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of a jury trial.
I think the NYT and WashPo stories are a way of trying to soften the blow to the 'peaceful protestors' (rioters) that Wilson is NOT going to be indicted by the Grand Jury. The race baiters pushed this one way too far and they won't be able to control the repercussions of that. Anarchists, Greenies, Peta, Occupy and every Far Left group you can think of has already gotten involved in the Ferguson mess. They will go nuts when the Grand Jury releases their verdict.
This is a very well thought out post.
I debated whether the topic was thread worthy, but was curious as to why the WaPo would publish something like this. Your theory makes perfect sense. They look at this kind of info as a way to start prepping the masses for what is looking more and more like the inevitable. I hope it works.
I think he should have chosen his words more carefully.
He called the death of Michael Brown "heartbreaking".
While it was heartbreaking I'm sure to his parents and family, I don't think BO should've chosen those words as it made it appear that emotion was taking precedence over facts. Facts that I'm sure BO was aware of - but that hadn't been made public as of yet.
He has injected himself into many local events (Martin, Brown, Gates) and has intentionally fomented racial anger. It's the "don't waste a good crisis" taken to the next level of "create a good crisis out of thin air"
...in other words "the truth won't keep them from their delusion"
Their kid was a thug and a strong-arm robber, not the angel they purported him to be! It matters not what the color of a persons skin; if you attack an officer in his cruiser, and try to take his gun, be prepared to be shot dead.
The New York Times did a story about 'leaks' from the Grand Jury and now the Washington Post does a story. NYT was clear that their information came from the Feds. WashPo and St Louis Media have released the Autopsy reports. They did 3 separate Autopsies and then had even more Forensic experts review them. The Prosecutor brought forward EVERY single person who said they "saw what happened". Wilson was on the stand (with no Lawyer) for 4 hours, was interviewed extensively by the St Louis County Police AND the FBI and DOJ. The DOJ has already said there won't be any Civil Rights charges against Wilson.
A grand jury has a much lower threshold of guilt to recommend indictment. They only need to see sufficient evidence to believe a crime MAY have been committed to go forward with indictment. If this case cannot even meet those low standards after reviewing all of the evidence, then there's no way a jury trial would return a different result where the burden of evidence for guilt is much higher.
Basically, if a grand jury will not indict, then there is no case. Prosecutors will try their stuff before a grand jury first because they know if they cant even get it past them, they got no chance at meeting the "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of a jury trial.
I think the NYT and WashPo stories are a way of trying to soften the blow to the 'peaceful protestors' (rioters) that Wilson is NOT going to be indicted by the Grand Jury. The race baiters pushed this one way too far and they won't be able to control the repercussions of that. Anarchists, Greenies, Peta, Occupy and every Far Left group you can think of has already gotten involved in the Ferguson mess. They will go nuts when the Grand Jury releases their verdict.
THIS x Infinity!
Anyone who can argue against these simple truths (reality) is out of their minds!
Apparently the Justice Department thinks its a really bad idea to try and temper the public's rage and expectations by sharing facts:
“The department considers the selective release of information in this investigation to be irresponsible and highly troubling. Since the release of the convenience-store footage, there seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case.”
Why is the Justice Department worried about people getting information, especially when so much misinformation is being spread and fanning flames. I'm pretty sure the court of law still has final say on this stuff, not the court of public opinion.
Something that I've been wondering - is Crump licensed to practice law in Missouri?
He's the latest incarnation of a racial ambulance chaser. Every high profile case he's touched, he has lost. Why these people still hire him is beyond me. I've seen several of his interviews, and this guy is no orator. In fact he seems rather lackluster IMHO.
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Originally Posted by MidwestRedux
Apparently the Justice Department thinks its a really bad idea to try and temper the public's rage and expectations by sharing facts:
“The department considers the selective release of information in this investigation to be irresponsible and highly troubling. Since the release of the convenience-store footage, there seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case.”
Why is the Justice Department worried about people getting information, especially when so much misinformation is being spread and fanning flames. I'm pretty sure the court of law still has final say on this stuff, not the court of public opinion.
This is what is so damned frustrating!
They are saying they can't tell these people the truth because it'll infuriate them! WTF?
It's more of the same crap like not calling terrorism terrorism. Or "who's to say what is is"
well now if you have the testimony of these witnesses we know it is true. just like the gal that said she was a gulf war vet and there was no gun fire in the demonstrations.
btw here are pictures of the witnesses they have covered their faces but only to protect them from KKK retaliation. Also bek of their great fear and respect of authority, law and order, and deep love of their community.
The New York Times did a story about 'leaks' from the Grand Jury and now the Washington Post does a story. NYT was clear that their information came from the Feds. WashPo and St Louis Media have released the Autopsy reports. They did 3 separate Autopsies and then had even more Forensic experts review them. The Prosecutor brought forward EVERY single person who said they "saw what happened". Wilson was on the stand (with no Lawyer) for 4 hours, was interviewed extensively by the St Louis County Police AND the FBI and DOJ. The DOJ has already said there won't be any Civil Rights charges against Wilson.
A grand jury has a much lower threshold of guilt to recommend indictment. They only need to see sufficient evidence to believe a crime MAY have been committed to go forward with indictment. If this case cannot even meet those low standards after reviewing all of the evidence, then there's no way a jury trial would return a different result where the burden of evidence for guilt is much higher.
Basically, if a grand jury will not indict, then there is no case. Prosecutors will try their stuff before a grand jury first because they know if they cant even get it past them, they got no chance at meeting the "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of a jury trial.
I think the NYT and WashPo stories are a way of trying to soften the blow to the 'peaceful protestors' (rioters) that Wilson is NOT going to be indicted by the Grand Jury. The race baiters pushed this one way too far and they won't be able to control the repercussions of that. Anarchists, Greenies, Peta, Occupy and every Far Left group you can think of has already gotten involved in the Ferguson mess. They will go nuts when the Grand Jury releases their verdict.
Having served on a Grand Jury, let me make a couple of comments.
A Grand Jury indicts based on Probable Cause. Usually evidence is presented by an LE officer. There are no witnesses or lawyers other than the DA or Asst. DA. A defendant has the right to request a hearing. The GJ may accept or refuse the request. The defendant's lawyer is usually present but may not speak. The defendant may be questioned by the DA and by members of the GJ as may be the prosecution witness. During the four months I served (one day a week) we only had two defendants who requested a hearing. We agreed to one and refused the other. A GJ usually hears between 10 - 15 cases a day.
The GJ looks at the statutes as they are written to see if the evidence presented gives Probable Cause that those statutes have been broken. Based on the evidence the GJ may find a True or a No Bill on one or more charges. The GJ may also add charges if they feel the evidence justifies it.
Missouri law on the justification for a LE officer using deadly force is sufficiently broad that it may be difficult for the GJ to find that the law has been broken. In addition, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to find that the defendant was not justified. It is not for the defendant to prove that he was justified.
While the deliberations of the GJ are secret, the presentation of evidence, questioning of the witnesses by the GJ or legal advice are on the record. The GJ reports to a judge and not the DA. The GJ will not 'release' its verdict. Once they have reported whether they find a True Bill or a NO Bill to the judge their job is over.
Sharpton, Jesse and Bubba Crump all wanted the early facts released that supported their case.
Now they argue it should all be held private because it doesn't.
Tme to start planning the rioting and looting, and time for stores to add steel doors and armed guards.
Eyewitnesses are notoriously a bad source of evidence.
I can find 10 witnesses who said they saw the second coming of Jesus.
Including the ones that said they saw "hands up"?
I agree about eyewitnesses being dubious and that's where forensic evidence comes into play.
Start by discounting any witness whose testimony is clearly wrong....like people saying there was no scuffle at the car.
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