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Old 10-28-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: CasaMo
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If someone pointed a gun at me demanding my wallet, they would have to be close enough to take my wallet, which means I would attempt to give it to them and see if they go away. If they still don't, then I would push the gun aside and defeat them using Taekwondo.
I'll be placing my bets on the robber.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Detroit is insulated from reality? Really? How so?
All city critters are insulated from reality. The vast majority would starve to death if their food did not come cellophane-wrapped from grocery stores. City critters are utterly dependent on the infrastructure and all the city support services for their survival. They do not know how to take care of themselves or others because they have never had to before.

Detroit is an extreme case. They have completely lost touch with the real world. Detroit is where even fiscal responsibility is something to be sneered at. But that is to be expected among the mentally incompetent and utterly dependent Democrats that "feel" rather than think.

There is a very good reason why the overwhelming vast majority of Democrats are isolated to the larger cities. They are the product of a completely dependent culture. So is it any surprise that they want to see a cradle-to-grave socialist nanny state extended to everyone else? They literally have no concept of what it means to provide even the most basic of essentials; to be able to feed yourself; cloth yourself; provide shelter; etc., etc. Without their support mechanisms city critters would die by the millions because they have completely lost touch with reality.

Those who live in rural areas, by contrast, understand the reality that to feed one's self, something else has to die. That to provide even the most basic essentials requires a great deal of work. They are able to function without the support of others. Meaning they are able to provide their own food, water, shelter, without the support of anyone else.

The cultural gap between urban centers and rural areas is huge, and getting bigger. There is a very good reason why cities always receive massive amounts of support after any natural disaster, because they would die otherwise. That is not the case with those living in rural areas. They comprehend that nature can throw them for a loop from time to time, and have taken steps to prepare for such eventuality.
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Old 10-28-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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No, I didn't "blow up" my own point. Can you read properly? When did I suggest that YOU don't wear seatbelts?

My point is, that despite wearing seatbelts, despite driving alertly and defensively, despite having auto insurance (have no idea how that's supposed to prevent someone from being in an auto accident, but whatever), tens of thousands are injured and killed on US roads every year.

My point is that there are NO guarantees in life. There never are, no matter how smart or prepared you think you are.

My other point is that Americans have a higher chance of dying in an auto accident or dying prematurely from heart disease or other illnesses due to poor diet and lack of exercise (remember, we're one of the fattest, most sedentary countries on the planet) than they do of being victims of random violence.

I'll say it again: Americans fear the wrong things.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you saying that since there are no guarantees, and other dangers may have lower probabilities, we shouldn't worry about taking precautions, whether those precautions are preventative, or to insure against possible loss?

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Old 10-28-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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The world sees you as PARANOID!
How did the idea that wearing a seatbelt in an automobile to protect against injury is prudent, but carrying a weapon to protect against violence is paranoid come about?
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Old 10-28-2014, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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having like 10 guns in your house is overboard, but I do know some people who have a bunch of rifles and hand guns, and I do not visit those people in there house.
Ten guns is "overboard"? LOL.

If you knew how many guns I have, you'd avoid Nevada completely.
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Old 10-28-2014, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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What would offend me is you not telling me you have guns in your home before I enter.
It's none of your business. Either you like and trust me enough to enter my home, or you don't. Guns have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

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I don't know too many people who do own guns, but all of them have told me that they own guns
That's hilarious. You honestly think that everyone you know that owns a gun has told you about it? HAHAHAHAHA!!! I'll bet you think you know which of your acquaintances have hot tubs, too. Or a stamp collection. Or sex toys. 'Cuz they all give you, the special snowflake that deserves to know everything about everyone, an inventory of their entire life, right?
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Old 10-28-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Having said that, a civilian living on US soil in peace time has no need to carry a gun, so generally speaking, someone who carries one in an urban setting -- where there are other people called police officers whose job it is to carry a gun -- is probably untrustworthy and threatening, in my opinion.
Wow.

Just wow.
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Old 10-28-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Well, I live in the US, and I'm not losing any sleep over the fact that people choose to carry weapons. But the OP began this thread presumably to generate some discussion. And since a discussion is ordinarily an exchange of various opinions and ideas, I am contributing my thoughts on the subject. I also happen to enjoy reading/hearing other's thoughts on any issue, even if I don't fully understand or agree with them. I don't want to surround myself with people who think just like I do. IMO, far too many people do.

Would it be better if I simply dismissed proponents of concealed carry as a bunch of gun-crazy nut jobs and vowed to have nothing to do with them, as many do? Would it be better if the gun control issue continues to become a highly contentious one that creates even further division in this country? Quite frankly, if we don't learn to hear each other out on the most controversial of subjects, then the US will become an increasingly polarized nation. I'd say the US is polarized enough already, wouldn't you?



30,000+ Americans die in auto accidents every year. Every year. Tens of thousands of others are injured. Are you comfortable with that? Do you just ignore it? Being alert and wearing seat belts while driving certainly help to keep passengers safe, but thousands die notwithstanding. Driving automobiles or being a passenger is a VERY dangerous undertaking. About a year ago, a guy crashed into me in broad daylight with light traffic and clear driving conditions, because he "didn't see me." He basically destroyed the right side of my car. More importantly, had one of my kids been in the passenger side of the vehicle, they would have been badly hurt.

Like tens of millions of other Americans, though, I continue to get into my car - and let my kids get in as well - every day, regardless of the frightening statistics. And driving is only one example of the real dangers we live with every day.

What's my secret? I don't have one. I guess I've just come to accept that LIFE is a risk. Life is one BIG risk. From beginning to end. For all of us. No matter where we live.

If you're carrying a weapon every day because you fear being a victim of random crime/violence, then, imho, your fear is misplaced.
I was in an auto accident.....I have a permanent disability.....from the seat belt and air bag.

Ya just can't win.
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Old 10-28-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you saying that since there are no guarantees, and other dangers may have lower probabilities, we shouldn't worry about taking precautions, whether those precautions are preventative, or to insure a possible loss?
Well if it is a given that personal safety and security is of paramount import so as to cause the wearing of a firearm AND that the chances are probably remote you actually needing a weapon by comparison to you being injured in a vehicle accident why aren't you all driving around in armoured Humvees?

How many of you ride your Harley without a helmet in total disregard for protecting your family from the loss of it's bread-winner through the very common head injury received while being dumped on your beaner. For that matter why indulge in riding a motorcycle if it is a given your chances of threat to your health and safety are exponentially greater than ever being accosted by a human threat. In the spirit expressed here all too often, to be anything more than hyperbole, at least taking the reasonable and affordable step of affixing a third wheel to your Harley would be parallel to detracting from the personal freedom comfort of having to walk around with 40.oz. of inert metal crammed in your pants

In the spirit of preparedness and all, as hypothesized on here ad-infinitum to support carrying. Why does the very remote threat of you actually being attacked assume a greater priority than say, you falling down your basement stairs, but installing an elevator is never mentioned.

Any number of real statistically greater threats to your health and well being exist out there, but for some, it is only the carrying of a firearm to handle the very remote threat that is relevant.

Could it be some other imperative is driving the crave, as is often evidenced with posts with key words in them such as "emasculation", "weak" or "helpless" in a direct reference to somehow being less than a real man if you don't take the steps to prepare yourself for your defence in the very remote case you might need to, while totally ignoring any very practical and affordable safety precaution you might afford yourself with any and every other activity with a greater threat ratio?

Perhaps it's really all about just the "psyche booster" the wearing of a gun gives the wearer and all of this other stuff is just that, stuff!
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Old 10-28-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Bare hands combat is always 50/50
Where on earth did you get that idea???!?!!
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