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I frankly don't see nay other than states changes coming. Lately the factor has gone the other way seeing that so many voters have bought guns that didn't before own one before. perhaps the largest increase is women owning guns for personal protection.
No, you are not. That much is very obvious from your posts. You are a city critter, born and raised - which also explains why you are a liberal. The only country you have seen is through pictures in books and/or on the TV. Anyone who was "used to wide, open spaces" would certainly not have hoplophobia like you obviously do.
I look at it this way, if someone is breaking into my home, i figure they are not there to make me breakfast, and they shall be leaving horizontally.
Home and car is one thing, I will always have a gun at home or in my car, the issue is with actually carrying it on my person, that is where the laws get much more grey.
This word hoplophobia is a stupid moniker to hang on someone because they express a disdain or even a slight query about the "need" to carry.
As another Canadian; I can assure you that over 50 years of hunting throughout the Pacific northwest and northern Ontario/Quebec wilderness by myself, for multiple weeks at a time, with only my weapons, survival kit and a ground sheet but wanting nothing to do with carrying my old Webley large frame .455 hunting back-up weapon, or any other handgun anywhere else but the "wilderness" does not make me a "liberal", a "nanny statist", a "socialist" or a dang "hoplophobe". I've bartered more bear/moose/deer meat/hides to the aboriginals in exchange for canoe rides across large lakes then you've eaten hot dinners.
I agree wholeheartedly with the stated position of the poster "when in Rome, at least understand the position".
I am comfortable with firearms of all stripe and do not look askance at those who carry in the U.S. while I am there, but have no desire to carry anything of the size and weight of a "worthwhile" sidearm on my person 24/7 because I do not fear the "possible" alternatives. Were those "possibles" to turn into "probables" then I would choose between taking my leave to a place of less risk or the very last option of carrying a firearm.
Because I don't have to face such a choice I consider myself very lucky and will do all in my power to prevent my locale from becoming a place like yours where the carrying of a firearm is deemed advisable for defence from your fellow citizen.
When it makes someone "nervous" to see someone openly wearing a sidearm, that is an irrational fear of firearms, a.k.a. hoplophobia. There is a lot of that among city critters.
It is not my "fellow citizen" that concerns me. I carry for the exact same reasons you carry. Humans, without our tools, are no match for some of the critters living in the wild.
As usual, you have it completely backwards. It was the OP who arrogantly presumed to tell others what they need and do not need, not the other way around. Once again demonstrating how city critters have completely lost touch with reality.
I said that, in the case of the US, there is a
strong correlation between high violent crime rates and the easy access to
firearms. In other words, imo, more guns lead to more crime.
The statistics just don't bear out your conclusions. Violent crime in this country is down 49% in the last 25-30 years. Historic lows, according to the FBI. That, as gun ownership rates continue to climb. More guns are being carried then ever before with the advent of carry laws.. Can you explain that?
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If that's not the case, then why don't other modern, industrialized western
countries have similar violent crime rates?
There are a variety of reasons for that. Australia's crime rates were already spiraling downward when they implemented gun control, and continued that trend afterwards. Canada, a country the size of the U.S. but only has the population density of California...... The UK? They already had extremely miniscule gun crime rates compared to the US before they brought in gun control and their rates remain miniscule today.
There are plenty of complex reasons for crime, whether you want to hear that or not,
This word hoplophobia is a stupid moniker to hang on someone because they express a disdain or even a slight query about the "need" to carry.
As another Canadian; I can assure you that over 50 years of hunting throughout the Pacific northwest and northern Ontario/Quebec wilderness by myself, for multiple weeks at a time, with only my weapons, survival kit and a ground sheet but wanting nothing to do with carrying my old Webley large frame .455 hunting back-up weapon, or any other handgun anywhere else but the "wilderness" does not make me a "liberal", a "nanny statist", a "socialist" or a dang "hoplophobe". I've bartered more bear/moose/deer meat/hides to the aboriginals in exchange for canoe rides across large lakes then you've eaten hot dinners.
I agree wholeheartedly with the stated position of the poster "when in Rome, at least understand the position".
I am comfortable with firearms of all stripe and do not look askance at those who carry in the U.S. while I am there, but have no desire to carry anything of the size and weight of a "worthwhile" sidearm on my person 24/7 because I do not fear the "possible" alternatives. Were those "possibles" to turn into "probables" then I would choose between taking my leave to a place of less risk or the very last option of carrying a firearm.
Because I don't have to face such a choice I consider myself very lucky and will do all in my power to prevent my locale from becoming a place like yours where the carrying of a firearm is deemed advisable for defence from your fellow citizen.
Have you got a crystal ball, or some other accurate means to determine when that is going to happen, before it happens?
Home and car is one thing, I will always have a gun at home or in my car, the issue is with actually carrying it on my person, that is where the laws get much more grey.
Not sure where you live, but in the states that I have lived in, the laws are pretty clear.
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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So, a former Marine combat instructor with 25 years of martial arts training subdues a guy with a knife (skill level and experience unknown), and you use that to support the idea that nobody needs a gun for self defense?
You really are out of touch.
If you think you need a firearm for self defense yes you are out of touch. It's just paranoia. And yes I was taught similar techniques in Taewondo; it is basically the Korean version of karate. If you studied martial arts for two years at a decent studio, which I did, you would have learned techniques like that.
The streets of the USA are not Somalia or Afghanistan. It's ridiculous. Leave your toy at home.
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Not sure where you live, but in the states that I have lived in, the laws are pretty clear.
Well, what many gun nuts forget is that you can't act in a threatening manner. So even if the law says you can carry, that doesn't that doing so will not result in being stopped by the police. For example, open carry is legal in the state of Oregon, but if you carry a gun openly in Medford,a suburban community, someone is going to call 911, and you will speak with the police.
In those areas where people commonly carry guns, they will always do so. It becomes an issue when you're carrying in a place where doing so is not welcome. Just common sense here.
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