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Old 11-03-2014, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The founders of this Nation made it very difficult for our country to start wars bur relatively easy to respond to an attack. The first war that could be justified as responding to a direct attack was the War with Britain starting in 1812. The last was the our Civil War. Everything since has either been military conquest or protecting our own or other country's investor class. All our wars in Central America were to keep American companies from having to pay local taxes and Vietnam was an attempt to keep France's investors from losing the rubber tree plantations. Our wars in the Middle East are to protect all western petroleum company interests and control the international price of oil.

We have been one of the world's great warmongers and like our predecessor the Roman Empire we are dying of our excesses. It is time to regroup and stop wasting our substance on economic conflict with tanks, bombs and guns.
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The founders of this Nation made it very difficult for our country to start wars bur relatively easy to respond to an attack. The first war that could be justified as responding to a direct attack was the War with Britain starting in 1812. The last was the our Civil War. Everything since has either been military conquest or protecting our own or other country's investor class. All our wars in Central America were to keep American companies from having to pay local taxes and Vietnam was an attempt to keep France's investors from losing the rubber tree plantations. Our wars in the Middle East are to protect all western petroleum company interests and control the international price of oil.

We have been one of the world's great warmongers and like our predecessor the Roman Empire we are dying of our excesses. It is time to regroup and stop wasting our substance on economic conflict with tanks, bombs and guns.
I feel that World War II was justified, after all, we were bombed before we declared on anyone. We sold arms, ships, munitions in a lot of wars prior to that.

I'm not sure that the war of 1812 was justified, it was really a mistake.
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Riding the light...
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Yep.

And attacks on so called "allies" is NOT the same as an attack on this country.


Just thought I'd get that on there before the hawks get all cranked up about how we need to protect this or that country. No...we don't.


No other nation is worth a single American life.
So, you're saying a group of American citizens who are ISIS trained and banded for the purpose, then launch attacks on Canada are no concern of the U.S.?
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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So, you're saying a group of American citizens who are ISIS trained and banded for the purpose, then launch attacks on Canada are no concern of the U.S.?
Are they? You tell me.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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In August of 1957 a man named Sergey P. Korolyev launched a rocket called R-7 which put a 5 ton payload into the North Pacific from Central Asia. With that he made his country able to destroy any American city just as effectively if the USSR had bordered the USA like Canada or Mexico or even Cuba. This ended any isolation USA enjoyed. Today several nations could with todays weapons kill the USA as a living breathing nation in only a few hours.
If mutual assured destruction is a game to be played and living on a glass planet is desirable then, yes. There are a handful of countries that could start that kind of war. There are satellites to detect such launches with time to respond. There is also the travel time of the missile. Cuba is a good example and the Cuban missile crisis in the 60's is an example that supports my position. We all know how that ended. The concern is that we wouldn't have time to respond because they would be to close. There were many people holding their breath during that time and for good reason. The fact that we are the only power to use nuclear weapons during war time makes it hard for another country to think we wouldn't use them if attack by such weapons. *
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: The South
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When it comes to declaring war on another country, is there any justifiable reason other than knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt another country is planning on trying to land troops on your shores and take over?
We have to test our weapons occasionally. What better way?
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Old 11-03-2014, 06:28 PM
 
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When it comes to declaring war on another country, is there any justifiable reason other than knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt another country is planning on trying to land troops on your shores and take over?
No, for economic security as well -- if a county which we have vested interest in both by our government and businesses/corporations, such as South Korea, then I'd understand a mission against the country if another country were to invade it. I do support operations for strategic and economic reasons only, when it comes to the humanitarian side of things, as harsh as this may sound, there is rarely a need for US-intervention.
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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Yes.


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When it comes to declaring war on another country, is there any justifiable reason other than knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt another country is planning on trying to land troops on your shores and take over?
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