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Old 01-03-2008, 03:46 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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Remember the original post was about a crime that has no proof that it was committed by illegal immigrants but anti-illegal-immigrant posters were quick to blame illegals without evidence?
This is what I noticed, too, which is the reason I jumped on-board in this thread. Just because someone finds "MS-13" graffiti doesn't mean they're the ones who did it. It's especially suspicious when it happens in an area of no known MS-13 activity. Come on!
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Old 01-03-2008, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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This is what I noticed, too, which is the reason I jumped on-board in this thread. Just because someone finds "MS-13" graffiti doesn't mean they're the ones who did it. It's especially suspicious when it happens in an area of no known MS-13 activity. Come on!
If there are no known ms13 gang members or activity or any suspected associates, then that is suspicious.

Also, how often do gang members graffiti a memorial? Maybe sides of a business, highway overpass, street signs, all the typical places you see it. But I cant recall hearing about gang graffiti on any other veteran war memorial.

So without any proof it was actually the gang, the graffiti looks highly suspicious that it could be someone else with the intentions of blaming it on the gang. Then of course seeing the immediate reaction by some posters regarding illegal immigrants, it seems to lend some credibility that it was someone else trying to blame it on on the gang and creating some association with the illegal immigrant issue.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:27 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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If there are no known ms13 gang members or activity or any suspected associates, then that is suspicious.

Also, how often do gang members graffiti a memorial? Maybe sides of a business, highway overpass, street signs, all the typical places you see it. But I cant recall hearing about gang graffiti on any other veteran war memorial.

So without any proof it was actually the gang, the graffiti looks highly suspicious that it could be someone else with the intentions of blaming it on the gang. Then of course seeing the immediate reaction by some posters regarding illegal immigrants, it seems to lend some credibility that it was someone else trying to blame it on on the gang and creating some association with the illegal immigrant issue.
Absolutely have to consider this. Sounds like a classic frame to me. And it's true, street gangs are mainly concerned with turf, which means they're focused on "market-share" and indications that other gangs are becoming competitors. After all, this is how MS-13 was born -- Salvadoran immigrants in the 1980s who found that they had to adopt American street-gang ways in order to survive the tough neighborhoods of inner-city Los Angeles. And, the main reason for the influx of Salvadorans to the U.S. in those days was because of U.S. meddling in El Salvador's civil war. So, as much as we hate to admit it, we have our own foreign policy partly to blame for MS-13, which was born in America under the worst of American social conditions. Moreover, with each gang member we deport to El Salvador -- a country without the law enforcement means to deal with MS-13 -- the gang grows as the members never reform, recruit new members and stay engaged with the activities of MS-13 in the U.S. from abroad. Will we ever learn?
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