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Old 01-01-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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I never said anything in my post that indicated I felt there was no possibility someone else did it.
Really, you seemed pretty sure that the people exploring other possibilities on who could have done the crime and for what possible reasons made them “pro-illegals”. You’re post was pretty clear that you felt, in your sarcastic remarks, that it couldn’t possibly be anyone other that the illegals.

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It's amazing that the pro-illegal crowd immediately starts exploring other possibilities of who did this. Heaven knows their beloved illegals couldn't have done it, after all, they're just good people looking for a better life right?
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What amazed me is that shortly after this thread started people were coming up with conspiracy theories that it must have been white people setting up the illegals.
You really should have read the comments by the others more. There were two types, one type immediately jumped on and claimed it must have been illegal immigrants and the other side said it “could have” or “what if” and brought up other possible scenarios on who could have committed a crime. The discussion was hardly your “must have been” conclusion as it was just hypotheticals on who else could have committed the crime and their reasons for doing so.

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It's all a possibility until proved otherwise, but do I put vandilizing a monument past a bunch of ruthless, murdering, illegal alien gangbanger scumbags? Not for a second, and I feel that's the most likely scenario.
Which is what a lot of people agreed with, but the fact remains that no one really knows who actually did commit the crime. Some do seem to want to jump to the definitive conclusion that it actually was an illegal immigrant gangbanger without any other proof than some graffiti. Because no one else but gangbangers vandalize places.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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Something else to consider re: shifting blame unto others; The Tawana (sp) Brawley case of several years ago in which a Black girl tried to blame a bunch of White Supremacists for an incident------she admitted that she made up the whole thing to avoid getting into trouble for partying or something similar.
Remember the Susan Smith case in South Carolina, she drowned her two kids in a car by driving the car into a lake. She claimed she was carjacked by a black man, gave a description of one too, and was in front of the cameras pleading for help.

Later she confessed to doing it herself because of the person she was having an affair with doesnt like kids. A white person carjacked by a black person, yep, it has happened before and everyone believed it. Turns out it was all false.

Not everything is as it seems.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:17 AM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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Jimi Hendrix died from a drug over dose. Do you know anyone more credible ?
Hmm, junkman18, anyone more credible than JH. Yeah, my grandmother, who taught me when I was little that Santa Claus wasn't real. I'll just rephrase my original post with one less distraction:

I smell a witch hunt. So because someone spray paints MS-13 we're to believe MS-13 did it? The report cites the New Haven PD, who claims there's no MS-13 activity in that area. As a young child I learned that you can't believe everything you see and hear...
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:20 AM
 
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I don't know if this atrocity was done by gangs or not, or specifically the MS-13, but here are some cute tidbits on our new "buddies" invading our land from down south:

www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/profiles/ms13 (broken link)

Every American needs to become more aware of how gangs affect society, and more specifically in their individual areas. I use this website to detect the Texas gangs and to try to identify their markers (i.e. tattoos, jewelry, clothing). We need to be better educated to the hordes tearing away at the structure of our society. They are intertwined as well in the school system, entertainment business, pornography, etc. Take heed, we can no longer afford to keep the rose colored glasses on.
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Old 01-01-2008, 12:58 PM
 
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I agree andf disagree with these statements.


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Hmm, junkman18, anyone more credible than JH. Yeah, my grandmother, who taught me when I was little that Santa Claus wasn't real.
What the h3ll are you talking about?

Santa Claus lives in Canada. I've met the man, several times.


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I smell a witch hunt. So because someone spray paints MS-13 we're to believe MS-13 did it? The report cites the New Haven PD, who claims there's no MS-13 activity in that area. As a young child I learned that you can't believe everything you see and hear...
Did Jimmi Hendrix OD or was he murdered?

Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll were voo doo in America in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

Why is it so many rockers allegedly died while they were alone?

No witnesses.

Drugs are more dangerous today and we don't see the death rate anywhere near what is allegedly was during the 60s and Nam protest years.

Is it believable that this many people simply died, were in accidents or ODed in a such a short time period?

February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and J. P. Richardson died in a mysterious plane crash. The snow storm wasn't that bad or they wouldn't have been allowed to fly. It has always been said that this day is known as the day music died.

]March 3, 1963, Patsy Cline, died in a mysterious plane crash. Patsy was set to play a concert and the airline wouldn't let the plane take off for a day and a half. Patsy was offered a ride by Loretta Lynn and accepted, however, once the airport found out she was leaving in the car they allowed her plane to depart, which crashed. Patsy was also hit in a msyerious car accident in 1961 where she flew through the windshield but survived.

]November 22, 1963, JFK is killed.

October 23, 1964, David Box of the Crickets (Buddy Holly band) died in another mysterious plane crash.

December 11, 1964, Sam Cook, Shot.

January 20, 1965, Alan Freed, the man who coined the name "Rock and Roll allegedly died from complications of Acholism.

February 21, 1965, Malcom X, Shot.

August 27, 1967, Brain Epstein is found dead allegedly of an overdose.

December 10, 1967, Otis Redding killed in a freak plane crash.

April 4, 1968, Martin Luther King is killed by a sniper.

On June 4, 1968, Sharon and Roman Polanski, and friends, dined with Robert Kennedy at a beach house in Malibu. After dinner, Senator Robert Kennedy was driven to the Ambassador Hotel where he was shot.

June 1968, the satanic cult movie Rosemary's Baby is released.

August 26, 1968, the Beatles release Lennon's strongest protest song yet, Revolution, and only two months after Robert Kennedy is murdered and only five months after Martin Luther King was murdered.

1968, Timothy Leary is arrested for marijuana possesion. He flees to Afghanistan.

]November 1968, Yoko Ono release the album "Two Virgins' which has John and Ono nude on the cover. The picture is later included in the Beatles White album.

March 1, 1969, Jim Morrison gives a concert in Miami and inspired by John and Ono album cover exposes his penis and is charged and convicted for indecent exposure.

March 1969, John and Ono stage the bed in protest the war.

May 1969, they do it again but this time in Montreal.

1969, John Lennon is deported from the USA.

July 3, 1969, Rolling Stones guitarist Brain Jones is found dead in a swimming pool.

July 18, 1969, Ted Kennedy's Chapaquiddick incident.

July 31, 1969, Gary Hinman is found dead - Bobby Beausolieu of the Manson group is later convicted and still in jail today.

August 9, 1969, Alleged Manson murders.

Sharon Tate wife of Roman Polanski

Abigail Folger of Foldger coffee fame - she donated money to the church of Scientology.

Jay Sebring, famous rockstar hair dresser.

August 10, 1969, The LaBianca murders occur.


August 15-17, 1969, WoodStock.

October 1969, The announcement in the USA that Paul McCartney is dead.

December 6, 1969, Rolling Stones concert at Alamont motor speedway occurs. Hell's Angels are hired by someone to be the security. Some Hell's are beating up the rockstars. Rumors are flying that they were paid by the government to rough up the rockstars and hippies to ruin the event. One death. Save Mick Jaggars life. Mick blames the Hell's Angels for the guy that is killed. Later on there are rumors that the Hell's Angel's now have a contract out on Mick Jaggars life.

September 3, 1970, Alan Wison, guitarist for Canned Heat is found dead in a sleeping bag in Topanga Canyon. Canned Heat was the third highest paid band at Woodstock.

September 18, 1970, Jimi Hendrix is found dead of an alleged overdose.

October 4, 1970, Janis Joplin is found dead of an alleged overdose.

Susan, "Sexy Sadie" Atkins, lived in San Francisco prior to meeting Manson and, at one point, she lived next door to Janis Joplin in the Haigh-Ashbury area.

April 10, 1970, Paul McCartney shocks the world and announces that he quit the Beatles.[

December 31, 1970, McCartney betrays the remaining Beatles and starts legal action to end the Beatles partnership.

July 3, 1971, Jim Morrison dies of an alleged heat attack at the age of 27.

October 29, 1971, Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band is killed in an alleged motorcycle accident.

September 8, 1978, The Who's Keith Moon dies of an alleged overdose.

Feburary 19, 1980, Bon Scott of AC/DC dies of an alleged overdose.

September 25, 1980, Jon Bonham, Led Zep drummer dies of an alleged overdose.

December 8, 1980, John Lennon is murdered.

December 28, 1983, Dennis Wilson, Manson's friend, drowns while swimming in the cold, cold, cold ocean water.


I left out one dude on purpose.

Elvis Presley has left the building.

August 16, 1977.

Overdosed while alone.

Most of the people overdosed while they were all alone in their hotel rooms, homes, or tents.

What are the chances of this happening this often?

ZERO.

It's a well known fact that Elvis was a CIA agent. Nixon gave him a badge.


]Most of these people died while Nixon was the President.


Remember Watergate?

We know Nixon wasn't honest.

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Old 01-01-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Not cool and very disrespectful. Three Uncles and my Father fought in Vietnam.

We need to send those Salvadorians packing...And I also pray to god it was not some stupid punk ass kids throwing gas on the fire.
I think that's much more likely.

I live in a city that has had high levels of gang activity for decades. The gangsters tend to tag to mark their territory, not to arouse any kind of other awareness. An international group of thugs like MS-13 is sophisticated enough that they'd have no reason for some kind of mindless vandalism like that. It would only serve to draw unwanted attention.

But would that sort of act be something an anti-immigrant group might do precisely to get attention?
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Old 01-01-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Really, you seemed pretty sure that the people exploring other possibilities on who could have done the crime and for what possible reasons made them “pro-illegals”. You’re post was pretty clear that you felt, in your sarcastic remarks, that it couldn’t possibly be anyone other that the illegals.
You got all that from what I wrote? And yes, I feel those quick to come to the defense of an illegal is pro-illegal. Other than that, don't assume to know what I meant or twist my words. Go back and read what I wrote, because as it's worded is exactly what I meant, not your interpretation.





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You really should have read the comments by the others more.
No, I shouldn't have. I'm discussing what I SAID, not what anyone else said.


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Which is what a lot of people agreed with, but the fact remains that no one really knows who actually did commit the crime. Some do seem to want to jump to the definitive conclusion that it actually was an illegal immigrant gangbanger without any other proof than some graffiti. Because no one else but gangbangers vandalize places.
Again, show me where I said there's no possiblity anyone else did it. Once again you're making your own assumptions of what I meant, and you are WRONG. I'm not going to even pretend I know who did or didn't do it, because I don't and neither do you. My original point, no matter what you choose to believe, is that people quickly responded to this thread with "well maybe it was someone else trying to frame illegals". Maybe they were framed, hell, maybe OJ is innocent and was framed also, who knows.
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Old 01-01-2008, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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You got all that from what I wrote? And yes, I feel those quick to come to the defense of an illegal is pro-illegal.
Who’s coming to the defense of an illegal? No one has. It’s just that there are people who are not ignorant of the facts to know that there is no proof of WHO committed the crime. One group wants to say it was probably illegals and they seem happy with that without any proof. Then another group says there could be someone else and provides possible reasons why. The latter group is more rational as they are not quick to blame anyone for a crime without further evidence than some immature graffiti.

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Other than that, don't assume to know what I meant or twist my words. Go back and read what I wrote, because as it's worded is exactly what I meant, not your interpretation.
Oh your words seem pretty consistent, you seem to not like illegals and seem quick to judge them illegal of a crime with which there is no tangible link than the graffiti has the name of a group mostly comprised of illegals so therefore it must have been an illegal. Why else would you call someone “pro-illegal” just because they want proof or provide possible alternatives?

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No, I shouldn't have. I'm discussing what I SAID, not what anyone else said.
Really, you said everyone providing hypotheticals were claiming they stated “it must have been white people”. Did you forget that you typed that and when you claim the definitive “must have” it was not consistent with the hypotheticals that were “could have” or “what if”. Do you understand the difference between the two?

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Again, show me where I said there's no possiblity anyone else did it. Once again you're making your own assumptions of what I meant, and you are WRONG.
You’re right, your sarcastic statements that it couldn’t have possibly been an illegal immigrant must have been taken out of context because your sarcasm must have implied that someone else could have done it. But then if you would make that implication, then you’d be a pro-illegal coming to their defense. Since you’re now stating that there is a possibility someone else did it, does that make you a pro-illegal now?

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My original point, no matter what you choose to believe, is that people quickly responded to this thread with "well maybe it was someone else trying to frame illegals".
The first response to the original post indicated that it was illegal immigrants because “they” snub their noses at our immigration laws. Did you not read that one where the quick response was blaming illegal immigrants even though there is no proof that it actually was illegal immigrants?
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Old 01-01-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Stockton, CA, USA
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I see this as the U.S. armies problem. It's their job to shoot their enemies. Illegals are invaders to our country in the first place.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:03 PM
 
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I see this as the U.S. armies problem. It's their job to shoot their enemies. Illegals are invaders to our country in the first place.
It’s the US Army’s responsibility to investigate who actually committed the crime or shoot illegal’s regardless? Could you please expand on your thinking?
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