The anniversary of taking down the Berlin Wall (government, state, administration)

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Of course, but who got up and make the speech that tipped it into happening?

You honestly think Reagan's speech is what "tipped it into happening?"

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

You honestly think Reagan's speech is what "tipped it into happening?"

So tell us, just who caused the wall to be taken down? Reagan had nothing to do with it?

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by janelle144

So tell us, just who caused the wall to be taken down? Reagan had nothing to do with it?

You are saying a speech from Reagan made the wall come down even though the wall came down two and a half years after Reagan made that speech. That would completely ignore the fact that neighboring countries to East Germany were allowing Germans to escape and return to West Germany, and combined with protests happening in East Germany and East Berlin caused their government to weaken the hold they had on the people until they felt it made more sense to allow passage from East Berlin to West Berlin. That is when the wall came down.

No speech brought down that wall, the will of the people in Berlin and Germany brought it down.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by janelle144

So tell us, just who caused the wall to be taken down? Reagan had nothing to do with it?

If we follow today's RW policy of making the sitting POTUS responsible for everything from a new pothole on 42nd St in NYC to the hangnail Aunt Tillie had last week, Bill Clinton brought the wall down.

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by burdell

If we follow today's RW policy of making the sitting POTUS responsible for everything from a new pothole on 42nd St in NYC to the hangnail Aunt Tillie had last week...

Oh, poor baby.
You must have been living under a rock from 2000-2008.

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by forestgump99

Its obvious you were just a shinning sparkle in your father's eyes while Reagan was President!

Lmao..I was working in the Wy oilfields when that dirtbag was in office.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

Oh, poor baby.
You must have been living under a rock from 2000-2008.

And you must be living under a rock today if you don't believe the sitting POTUS gets held responsible for virtually everything by the same RWNJs who believe Reagan did everything from single-handedly bringing the wall down with a hammer and chisel to parting the Red Sea during the exodus.

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by burdell

And you must be living under a rock today if you don't believe the sitting POTUS gets held responsible for virtually everything by the same RWNJs who believe Reagan did everything from single-handedly bringing the wall down with a hammer and chisel to parting the Red Sea during the exodus.

And once again you ignore that W got blamed for everything. And in fact STILL does 6 years later by your ilk.

You guys dish it out but can't take it. So your constant complaining of your messiah's supposed mistreatment gets no sympathy from me and is nothing more than childish whining at this point.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

Vaclav Havel, Lech Walesa, Gorbachev? The East German mass protesters? Hungary's government who dismantled their border fence - they don't merit a nod? Seems to me they did more, with less, at a much higher personal risk.

Hey, why give credit to the REAL people who are responsible when you can just credit St. Ronnie and some religious dude?

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Hey, why give credit to the REAL people who are responsible when you can just credit St. Ronnie and some religious dude?

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