Question To The Left Since You Favor Socialism VS Capitalism Give Examples Why Living Under Socialism Would Be Better (black president, lobbyists)
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I'm always entertained by threads like this from American conservatives because they are always so brainwashed as to what socialism is. They have no clue.
First, I am a socialist. Socialism is a big tent just like Liberalism and Conservatism which contains many sub ideologies. Specifically, I'm a market socialist which means I believe that the overarching pillars of the economy should be publicly owned (i.e. energy, infrastructure, education, healthcare, security, etc.) while consumer goods ate completely privatized but favoring small businesses. Basically in my ideology, business are taxed based on their overall footprint on the economy. Small businesses would have no income tax, small local chains 5%, small regional chains 10%, large regional chains 15%, nationwide chains 25%, and multinational corporations 40%. This type of tax structure discourages consolidation while encouraging greater competition.
The Democratic Party is not socialist. At all. Their ideology is similar to the Liberal Party of Canada, the Liberal Democrats of the UK, the Free Democrats of Germany, MoDem of France, etc. Basically they are pure liberals which is a form of capitalism. Under the Liberal tent they fall under social liberals...i.e. trying to use a somewhat to slightly regulated free market to create equality. Similar to these other parties, they are very much pro big business but they try to encourage businesses to be more responsible with their money. In general they do not favor publicly owned entities.
Conservatives of course basically want a free for all in the business sector with everything privatized.
Once you understand these concepts, then it is worth continuing this discussion.
That was the point I was attempting to make with the O/P using two examples created in; at least a Quasi socialistic environment according to the popularly held description as held by RWNJ's.
Using the often erroneous example of any kind of safety net provision to describe a whole nation as either socialist or not, would have to lead to the conclusion these nuts are describing the U.S. to a veritable "T" in nearly every category from multi-generational welfare, through medicare, Medicaid, the VA to bail-outs for banks and GM.
Not wanting to put too fine a point on it; but if you foster a proposition using examples to illustrate a point, it might serve to use examples from another country if you do not want yours held up to comparative scrutiny.
Here's Haliburton CEO Dick Cheney giving his oil corporation pals $20 billion dollars, not to save US jobs, but as a corporate handout. Big Oil's Influence in Washington . NOW | PBS
And its incredible how republicans complain about Obama giving GM $50 billion dollars to save American jobs, while at the same time they fight to give large corporations $6.6 (trillion) dollars in corporate handouts.
Do you think companies like Microsoft or Apple would have ever been created under socilalism.
Question to the right. Since you favor belief and faith over science. . can you give examples of when a theology outperformed a democracy??
seriously - why do you even bother posting. Your first issue here is assuming people who are "left" (left of what) have any interest at all in Socialism or what level of socialistic policies.
I mean what? the US Education system? European Healthcare system? the US transportation infrastructure? The military? the USPS?
My impression is that it is a two-way street. By and large, the corporations do not spend huge amounts of money to reduce, privatize, or abolish safety net programs - which include universal health care and very generous parental leave - or trash public education.
I think it's fair to say that by-and-large, corporations in Scandinavia do very little to influence the political process apart from possibly lobbying in matters directly involving them, and even so, it's done on a very modest scale by US standards.
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