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Old 11-03-2014, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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LE will abuse it's power until the citizens demand transparency and accountability. The Border Patrol violates the law and our constitution with virtual impunity. But many people don't care since most of the victims are illegal aliens. Other people say "I don't care if they make illegal stops since I have nothing to hide". That's pure BS and has contributed to LE abuse of power.
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Rather than detain the three Honduran women and bring them to the McAllen holding center, a 300-bed unit that some nights this spring hosted more than 1,000 people, (Border Patrol Agent) Manzanares locked the women in the back of his Ford patrol truck—and drove them around the scrubland surrounding McAllen for an hour or two. It was a perfectly lovely South Texas day—sunny, low 70s, a bit cool for that time of year....

Then he stopped his truck in a wooded area. He raped both the mother and the daughter. He slit the mother’s wrists and tried to break the daughter’s neck, leaving them for dead in the brush.........

The FBI in McAllen had gotten used to investigating assaults and misconduct among Border Patrol agents; it had become the field office’s top criminal priority.

Read more: The Green Monster - Garrett M. Graff - POLITICO Magazine
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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That agent committed suicide later that same day when the FBI closed in on him. I wouldn't condemn the whole Border Patrol as "out of control" just as I wouldn't condemn the whole US Army because they have some bad apples in the hoosegow.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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That agent committed suicide later that same day when the FBI closed in on him. I wouldn't condemn the whole Border Patrol as "out of control" just as I wouldn't condemn the whole US Army because they have some bad apples in the hoosegow.
Did you read this part?

"The FBI in McAllen had gotten used to investigating assaults and misconduct among Border Patrol agents; it had become the field office’s top criminal priority."

In other words, the Border Patrol has enough criminals to become TOP PRIORITY for the FBI. And they have a practice of covering up their crimes. Hmmm..... Yes, the entire Border Patrol is out of control
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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That agent committed suicide later that same day when the FBI closed in on him. I wouldn't condemn the whole Border Patrol as "out of control" just as I wouldn't condemn the whole US Army because they have some bad apples in the hoosegow.
Agreed.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That agent committed suicide later that same day when the FBI closed in on him. I wouldn't condemn the whole Border Patrol as "out of control" just as I wouldn't condemn the whole US Army because they have some bad apples in the hoosegow.
Attacking all men and women on uniform due to actions of one, or few criminal(s) is pretty much the norm these days.

It is ironic that the same people who claim that illegal immigrants are criminals and should treated as such, or worse, should be shot at the border, suddenly make bleeding heart emotional arguments when few immigrants are mistreated.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That agent committed suicide later that same day when the FBI closed in on him. I wouldn't condemn the whole Border Patrol as "out of control" just as I wouldn't condemn the whole US Army because they have some bad apples in the hoosegow.
The Border Patrol has more than their fair share of bad apples though.
This is a growing problem. Not all the stories make the national news.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Attacking all men and women on uniform due to actions of one criminal is pretty much the norm these days.
One criminal? Can you read? I posted several links and if you google it you will find an endless list of abuse. And they try to cover up most of them. Even the FBI says it's prevalent.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Attacking all men and women on uniform due to actions of one, or few criminal(s) is pretty much the norm these days.

It is ironic that the same people who claim that illegal immigrants are criminals and should treated as such, or worse, should be shot at the border, suddenly make bleeding heart emotional arguments when few immigrants are mistreated.
Did you read this part?

"Kerlikowske had already known that the Border Patrol was troubled, of course: It had taken 1,870 days into the Obama administration before he even became the first Senate-confirmed commissioner of the Obama era, and he was well aware he didn’t have much time to right an agency that was beset by corruption problems and excessive force complaints, the unfortunate legacies of a massive hiring surge that had doubled the force’s size in just a few years after 9/11. That lying and obfuscation had often accompanied the scandals was no real surprise either."


“We had a history of not addressing things as directly as we should,” Kerlikowske told me when we met this fall in his office at the Reagan Building.

Kerlikowske wanted to use the Manzanares attack as an opportunity to show that on his watch, the agency would be different—more forthright and transparent. But it wouldn’t be easy: He wrote a first draft of a statement he wanted to send out immediately, but CBP officials blocked their own new commissioner. They were nervous about admitting fault so quickly. CBP’s longstanding policy had been to hold off for days, weeks, months and even years before addressing publicly any misconduct inciden


Read more: The Green Monster - Garrett M. Graff - POLITICO Magazine

"beset by corruption"...... cover up a murder......

So they had a habit of covering up their crimes for "days, weeks, months and even years".

Pathetic.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I thought right wingers wanted more border patrol officers to protect our border with Mexico?
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