9yo girl in wheelchair days after Flu Shot (school, gun, percent)
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Do you have any proof that the flu vaccine has decreased the death rate from the flu?
How do you prove something like that? Flu shots are like a crap shoot at best, scientist guess at which virus will be most prevalent that season and produce a vaccine for those virus's. There is no guarantee the strain that hits will be included in the shot, but it still offers some protection even against the ones that aren't included, by stimulating the immune system, thus reducing symptoms. With that said, I get a flu shot every year and have not had the flu or reaction to the shot in over 30 years. Also, I do not believe there have been any pandemics (in U.S.) since flu shots have been given on a massive scale.
How do you prove something like that? Flu shots are like a crap shoot at best, scientist guess at which virus will be most prevalent that season and produce a vaccine for those virus's. There is no guarantee the strain that hits will be included in the shot, but it still offers some protection even against the ones that aren't included, by stimulating the immune system, thus reducing symptoms. With that said, I get a flu shot every year and have not had the flu or reaction to the shot in over 30 years. Also, I do not believe there have been any pandemics (in U.S.) since flu shots have been given on a massive scale.
You look at the death rate prior to the introduction of the flu vaccine and after. So far I have seen zero evidence that he flu shot decreases death from the flu.
I have only gotten one flu shot in my life and it was 20 years ago. The last time I had the flu was more then 30 years ago.
You look at the death rate prior to the introduction of the flu vaccine and after. So far I have seen zero evidence that he flu shot decreases death from the flu.
I have only gotten one flu shot in my life and it was 20 years ago. The last time I had the flu was more then 30 years ago.
The Russian flu had a .15% mortality rate. The Spanish Flu had a 2.5% mortality rate with up to 35% of the world's population.
The last pandemic in 2009 only had a .03% mortality rate as well as far less people initially infected. Of course, we have better medical protocols now so the number you really want to look at is total infected.
The Russian flu had a .15% mortality rate. The Spanish Flu had a 2.5% mortality rate with up to 35% of the world's population.
The last pandemic in 2009 only had a .03% mortality rate as well as far less people initially infected. Of course, we have better medical protocols now so the number you really want to look at is total infected.
OK, so where is the proof that the flu vaccine prevents deaths. That is what was claimed earlier in the thread and that is what I had responded to. No one can prove that the flu prevents deaths because there is no proof that it prevents deaths. People just believe that it does because that is what they have been told.
OK, so where is the proof that the flu vaccine prevents deaths. That is what was claimed earlier in the thread and that is what I had responded to. No one can prove that it prevents deaths because there is no proof that it prevents deaths. People just believe that it does because that is what they have been told.
It prevents people from getting it, which prevents deaths. I can't speak to further prevention steps because I do not have a medical background, though I can say I was recommended by my doctor to get it because it can reduce symptoms if I do get the flu (and I am a high risk patient even with the vaccine).
Her parents are convinced that the vaccination is what triggered Marysue’s condition. “Yes, it is possible,” said Dr. Aaron Boster, an Ohio State University neuroimmunologist who specializes in ADEM and similar conditions. “About 5 percent of all cases of ADEM might be triggered by a recent immunization.”
More often, though, ADEM is associated with a recent infection, not an immunization. “You could develop ADEM as a consequence of the flu,” said Dr. Emmanuelle Waubant, a professor of neurology at the University of California, San Francisco. “If you look at the incidence of ADEM related to infections versus cases related to vaccines, there are actually much fewer with vaccines than with infections.”
It prevents people from getting it, which prevents deaths. I can't speak to further prevention steps because I do not have a medical background, though I can say I was recommended by my doctor to get it because it can reduce symptoms if I do get the flu (and I am a high risk patient even with the vaccine).
I would love to see proof of this. I have tried to find this information before and there is absolutely no proof that the flu vaccine prevents death from flu (or rather, complications from the flu because no one actually dies from the flu, they die from complications).
Her parents are convinced that the vaccination is what triggered Marysue’s condition. “Yes, it is possible,” said Dr. Aaron Boster, an Ohio State University neuroimmunologist who specializes in ADEM and similar conditions. “About 5 percent of all cases of ADEM might be triggered by a recent immunization.”
More often, though, ADEM is associated with a recent infection, not an immunization. “You could develop ADEM as a consequence of the flu,” said Dr. Emmanuelle Waubant, a professor of neurology at the University of California, San Francisco. “If you look at the incidence of ADEM related to infections versus cases related to vaccines, there are actually much fewer with vaccines than with infections.”
In her case, she likely was one of the 5% who's ADEM was triggered by the vaccine considering the timing.
The flu can cause many complications short of death. Most people who take the flu shot simply don't want to or can't deal with being seriously ill for weeks- especially if they are otherwise vulnerable. Some never the get the flu at all- it's an individual thing.
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Also, I do not believe there have been any pandemics (in U.S.) since flu shots have been given on a massive scale.
